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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo you have not. The best you have provided are vague references to the Golden Rule and the morality contained in the New Testament...whatever that means. Re the latter the huge number of Christian sects, all based upon differing scriptural interpretations, is indicative of the lack of clarity re the morality contained in the New Testament.
New Testament moral wrongs:
Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, witchcraft, lust, drunkenness, unjustified taking of human life, stealing, lying, unbelief, rage, covetousness, greed, idolatry, unbelief, pride, kidnapping, prostitution, bearing false witness, unforgiveness, blasphemy, deceit, fraud, envy, sorcery, hypocrisy, etc...
New Testament moral goods:
Loving God, loving our fellow man, being kind, following the golden rule, forgiving, being generous, helping the poor, being self-controlled, gracious, being honest, or refraining from all of the moral wrongs above...Last edited by seer; 07-30-2018, 07:24 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI did not say the punishments are immoral now. Just that they are not necessary because we are not under a theocracy.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, in your view, stoning gay people to death for their sexual behavior is both moral and necessary under a theocracy, but under secular government it would still be moral, but not necessary? So, I guess then, that according to your view, it is we, as a secular government, that are the immoral ones for not continuing the practice of stoning gay people to death?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostLook at it this way, God will eventually apply the death penalty to all unrepentant sinners. I will leave it in His hands. But if a culture decided to apply the death penalty for homosexual behavior I would not see that as immoral. To harsh and unforgiving perhaps, but not immoral.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd so you would agree as well that putting witches to death wouldn't be immoral either, correct?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostLook at it this way, God will eventually apply the death penalty to all unrepentant sinners. I will leave it in His hands. But if a culture decided to apply the death penalty for homosexual behavior I would not see that as immoral. To harsh and unforgiving perhaps, but not immoral.
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Originally posted by seer View PostCorrect, but I don't think we are speaking witches in the sense we mean today (kind of like nature lovers) but those who made their bed with the devil. Let me quote CS Lewis...
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAre our morals better today than say 2000 years ago? Are the morals of the modern western society better than those of the Roman Empire?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, as long as you are ignorant in your beliefs, what you do in that regard, such as murdering people, isn't immoral? And here I thought that you believed in an objective standard, independent of human beliefs.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostCorrect, but I don't think we are speaking witches in the sense we mean today (kind of like nature lovers) but those who made their bed with the devil. Let me quote CS Lewis...
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