Atheism And Moral Progress

[carpedm9587]

you are excusing your inaccurate generalization of Christianity by saying it's too confusing so you just leave it up to Christians to fight about.

I'm not excusing anything, and I said nothing about "confusion." I said there are many points of view under the umbrella "Christian," and I listed some of them. I'm not going to get into a battle about differences of belief for a faith system I no longer see as accurate. I leave that to you folks to sort out for yourselves. So far, from where I sit, there's not much "sorting" and there continues to be the creation of new sects.

That pretty much excuses any bigotry or ignorance doesn't it?

What on earth does this have to do with bigotry?

Do you believe it is inaccurate to state that "some Christians believe heaven and hell are rewards/punishments for a life lived well/poorly?"

"black people are criminals" - I can't be bothered to figure out all the various social groups in black society, I just leave it up to them to them to fight about. "Muslims are terrorists." "White people are racist." "Wiccan are devil worshippers"

Some black people are criminals. Some white people are racist. Some Wiccan are devil worshipers.

I'm not sure what your objection is to. I retraced the thread and find no place where I said, "all Christians X" or even "Christians X." I said: "Christians follow their interpretation of the "Christian moral code" because they believe it pleases their god and their god requires it of them, or because they want to gain "eternity" with their god, or because they fear eternal damnation. I'm sure many do it for the same reasons I do: because they find value in other people and want to help. Ultimately, we all do what we do because we want to do it and believe it is important. If we didn't, we'd do something else."

Note the "or" formation of the sentence. You can't have "all" when you have a list with "or" in it. I think you're misinterpreting what I wrote.

[Sparko]

They can't have scientific studies backing up their claims if their claims are idiotic. In other words it's not about what some goofballs might think, or claim, what is good or bad for people and society need conform to reason and logic, not just someones "say so."

You are putting what YOU believe to be true over what an entire world believes to be true. You are as Seer pointed out, using your "say-so" as the ultimate authority on what is moral and immoral while at the same time mocking Seer and I for using God as the ultimate authority on what is moral and immoral.

I have pointed this out to you, Seer has pointed it out to you, and even Carpedm has pointed it out to you. Your refusal to "get it" is reaching legendary proportions.



Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.
http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/wa...rouscranus.htm

[JimL]

You are putting what YOU believe to be true over what an entire world believes to be true. You are as Seer pointed out, using your "say-so" as the ultimate authority on what is moral and immoral while at the same time mocking Seer and I for using God as the ultimate authority on what is moral and immoral.

I have pointed this out to you, Seer has pointed it out to you, and even Carpedm has pointed it out to you. Your refusal to "get it" is reaching legendary proportions.



Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.
http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/wa...rouscranus.htm

No, you just don't get it. I'm using actual sound reason and logic as the ultimate authority, not just my "say so."

[Sparko]

No, you just don't get it. I'm using actual sound reason and logic as the ultimate authority, not just my "say so."

No you are just claiming what you believe is due to "sound reason and logic" while dismissing anything that disagrees with you as "idiocy"

Have you provided any scientific studies that show that stealing is objectively immoral for all societies? No. You just assume that is the case.

[Sparko]

http://plainshumanities.unl.edu/ency...oc/egp.war.023

[seer]

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness.

Sounds like me!

[carpedm9587]

Sounds like me!

[Sparko]

Sounds like me!

more like Tassman. No matter what you show him, he just repeats the last thing he said. Like the "civil rights act" thing.

But JimL is a close second.

[carpedm9587]

more like Tassman. No matter what you show him, he just repeats the last thing he said. Like the "civil rights act" thing.

But JimL is a close second.

[seer]

more like Tassman. No matter what you show him, he just repeats the last thing he said. Like the "civil rights act" thing.

But JimL is a close second.

My mom always used to tell me that I had a thick head. I know, I know - it's hard to believe...

[Sparko]

My mom always used to tell me that I had a thick head. I know, I know - it's hard to believe...

She probably toughened it up by dropping you on it several times a day.

[seer]

She probably toughened it up by dropping you on it several times a day.

Did know my mom?

[Tassman]

But you just are judging them by YOUR standards and you have already admitted that an individual's moral views don't matter.

The point of view of the community of which we are a part, does matter however.

What is your "say so" compared to an entire world who has scientific studies backing up their claims?

[Sparko]

Tassman your objection to my response to JimL doesn't even compute. And you are not helping him a bit. He believes morals are objective. You don't.

[JimL]

No you are just claiming what you believe is due to "sound reason and logic" while dismissing anything that disagrees with you as "idiocy"

Have you provided any scientific studies that show that stealing is objectively immoral for all societies? No. You just assume that is the case.

No, I'm saying that there are people, reasoning, logical people who when putting 2 and 2 together can conclude the obvious, and then there are pigheaded people who believe in what they call alternate facts. Nowadays we call them republicans/conservatives.