Again, why is our survival a "good?" Subjectively to us it is, but that is only our SAY SO. Which Jim seems to have a problem with.
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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, by that logic, if the Allies had lost the war, then they would have been in the wrong. But you didn't answer my question, how can you condemn the Nazis? Especially if they had conquered the world, and society was then for the Aryans.
"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." (Ro 13:10) So to be good is to be loving. And "God is love" (1 John 4:8).Last edited by JimL; 08-24-2018, 09:06 AM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAgain, why is our survival a "good?" Subjectively to us it is, but that is only our SAY SO. Which Jim seems to have a problem with.
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Good, when used as a noun, means either "that which is morally right; righteousness" or "benefit or advantage to someone or something." Clearly, the latter is subject to "say so." As I teach my students in class, you cannot assess "benefit" without a subject against which to assess it (in my student's case, a customer). Something that is a "good" for me may or may not be a "good" for someone else. Case in point, Bactrim and Septa are "good" for me if I have an infection. They are not a "good" for someone who does not have an infection, and can be a "bad" for someone who has an allergy to sulfa-based medications.
As for the morality-based definition, we've been around that merry-go-round more than enough times.
Bottom line, it might help the discussion if you are using the same definition of the terms.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWinning and running a tyranus regime isn't what determines the best interests of the people. As I keep trying to explain to the dunderheads, the moral system that is in the best interests of society, i.e. in the best interests of all the people of a community, has nothing to do with what one individual, or tyranus government, might think, or employ for their own nefarius purposes. What matters is how the moral system actually serves the living conditions of the society as a whole. And that is something that can be measured.
And to love one another is a kind of all encompassing moral and therefore to love one another is a moral that is in the best interests of society and so is a moral that need not come from god in order to serve our best interests and be understood to be "good."
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou're just being stubbornly silly now seer. "Why is our survival "good"? Is your survival a "good" to you? Yes? Well then, now you know why it's a "good!" And that is why a moral against murder is a "good" for the society in which you are a member.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostGood, when used as a noun, means either "that which is morally right; righteousness" or "benefit or advantage to someone or something." Clearly, the latter is subject to "say so." As I teach my students in class, you cannot assess "benefit" without a subject against which to assess it (in my student's case, a customer). Something that is a "good" for me may or may not be a "good" for someone else. Case in point, Bactrim and Septa are "good" for me if I have an infection. They are not a "good" for someone who does not have an infection, and can be a "bad" for someone who has an allergy to sulfa-based medications.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWinning and running a tyranus regime isn't what determines the best interests of the people. As I keep trying to explain to the dunderheads, the moral system that is in the best interests of society, i.e. in the best interests of all the people of a community, has nothing to do with what one individual, or tyranus government, might think, or employ for their own nefarius purposes. What matters is how the moral system actually serves the living conditions of the society as a whole. And that is something that can be measured.
And to love one another is a kind of all encompassing moral and therefore to love one another is a moral that is in the best interests of society and so is a moral that need not come from god in order to serve our best interests and be understood to be "good."
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by seer View PostAgain, why is our survival a "good?" Subjectively to us it is, but that is only our SAY SO. Which Jim seems to have a problem with.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt is more than just our "say so". Survival is the basic driving instinct of all living creatures. You think it's so "good" that you want it to last for all eternity.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYes, just as the deaths of the indigenous people of the countries we invaded during the colonial expansion was good for us but bad for the natives.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostOh, but the Nazis were all into survival of the fittest. Why isn't eugenics in the best interests of society?
What if the love we need must come from God, though? Speaking of Nazis, Corrie ten Boom met a guard after the war who had repented of what he had done in Corrie's prison camp. He asked her forgiveness, and Corrie couldn't do it. She then asked God for his love, and she was then able to forgive.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBecause there is no such thing as the fittest people.
The point is that god is not necessary for the existence of morals that serve the best interests of society.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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