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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe same applies to religion-based morality via the selection of biblical texts that justify personal beliefs as inculcated by society. Social mores derive from self-preservation and procreation and are a consequence of natural selection. They are beneficial to the breeding and survival of our species as social animals.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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I know that "Good" and "God" come from two different German words, that the claim that one is a derivation of the other is a lie invented by some unscrupulous evangelist and propagated by gullible and ignorant Christians; that it's a particularly stupid claim since it can be confirmed or refuted by a dictionary, so there's no excuse for not checking it; and thus anyone who repeats it is more interested in sound-bites than truth.
Also, your source doesn't say "Good" comes from "God", only that the word "good" was applied to God, so you have even less excuse that some-one who hasn't checked, since you've checked and still got it wrong.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostI know that "Good" and "God" come from two different German words, that the claim that one is a derivation of the other is a lie invented by some unscrupulous evangelist and propagated by gullible and ignorant Christians; that it's a particularly stupid claim since it can be confirmed or refuted by a dictionary, so there's no excuse for not checking it; and thus anyone who repeats it is more interested in sound-bites than truth.
Also, your source doesn't say "Good" comes from "God", only that the word "good" was applied to God, so you have even less excuse that some-one who hasn't checked, since you've checked and still got it wrong.
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course, why would it be otherwise? As an atheist how would they have meaning apart from your say so?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI've explained that a thousand times over to you seer, I don't expect it to ever get through. But, what the heck, i've nothing better to do at the moment so I'll waste a little more time. Good can be used in different ways, but with respect to morality "good" means those behaviors which are in the best interests of human society, and evil is it's opposite. It has nothing to do with my personal say so specifically, it has to do with the resulting effects those behaviors have on the living conditions of human society. Good and evil mean nothing from your religious perspective other than that they emanate from god. In other words if god says to murder your neighbor, then murder would be good, if god says to pillage, then pillaging would be good. Do you see, from your perspective, the word "good" itself doesn't mean anything, other than that god says so.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View Post... with respect to morality "good" means those behaviors which are in the best interests of human society, and evil is it's opposite.
Good and evil mean nothing from your religious perspective other than that they emanate from god.
So God is good, as seer said, and if a real God exists, then he must command only what is perfectly good.
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Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is stupid Jim, God's nature can not change, He can not order something evil since by nature He is good.
And God's law is good for human society because God loves man
and if we followed His general moral principles to love God, our fellow man, and followed the golden rule, etc...
And really Jim good and evil mean nothing when you utter them, they are just your opinions, I mean you can't even tell us why the survival of our species is a moral good in the first place. Ya got nothing...
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostThough the Nazis thought the primary good was what was in the best interests of the Aryan race, and how can you contradict them?
Well, if God per impossible should command a sin, then it would be right to disobey. If God was not perfectly good, he would not be God, because there would be a standard above him, judging him.
So God is good, as seer said, and if a real God exists, then he must command only what is perfectly good.
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is stupid Jim, God's nature can not change, He can not order something evil since by nature He is good.
And God's law is good for human society because God loves man and if we followed His general moral principles to love God, our fellow man, and followed the golden rule, etc...
And really Jim good and evil mean nothing when you utter them, they are just your opinions, I mean you can't even tell us why the survival of our species is a moral good in the first place. Ya got nothing...
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAccording to you whatever God does is good by definition...including murdering, pillaging and raping as per Moses' genocides under the direction of his god.
The Golden Rule is the embodiment of mutual reciprocity, an evolved instinct and common to all humanity...it's not God's idea.
The survival of our species is not a moral good as such. Morals are derivatives of self-preservation and procreation and a consequence of natural selection.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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You said:Social mores derive from self-preservation and procreation and are a consequence of natural selection. They are beneficial to the breeding and survival of our species as social animals.
So how does killing our offspring by the millions further our procreation and survival. If procreation and survival is why we have morals in the first place?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSeer, the above is the point that you are not getting. You can not argue that god is good unless the term good actually means something in and of itself.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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