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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Originally posted by seer View Post
I'm sorry you were not clear. So on what basis would call what the Europeans did to the native tribes of Australia, immoral? And if you did give a clear answer can you show me which post?
America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
But you are a materialist, what else is there besides instinct?
Biology does not aim for our survival, any more than it did for the millions of extinct species.
And a survival mechanism could just as well include our tribe slaughtering a neighboring tribe and taking all their stuff. And you labeling that as immoral is a fiction. In other words on what basis would you call a perfectly natural behavior immoral?
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostI mean precisely what I said. "Biology (i.e, natural selection) always aims for survival (as far as a natural process can be said to 'aim' at anything)".Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostI'm sorry you were unable to parse, understand or remember the repeated answers you've been given to this. I'm not interested in playing your "show me where" game.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
What there is, is the evolved intellectual capacity to categorize ‘acceptable’ and ‘unacceptable’ behavior as a moral code so as to promote our survival as a communal species.
Biology predisposes evolved creatures via Natural Selection to behave so as to survive. The fact that 99% of creatures throughout natural history are now extinct (great Intelligent Design BTW <sarcasm>) does not alter the attempts of living creatures to survive despite all odds being against them. Ever tried to swat a fly?
“Our tribe slaughtering a neighboring tribe and taking all their stuff” is what humans have done throughout history – including, notably, the Christian colonialists. But, given that much of the bible can be made to reinforce what the society of the day believes at any given period of history, immoral behavior such as this has been rationalized.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI would define it as what is biologically driven. Rather than what is driven by immaterial conceptual truths, thoughts or fact. Because I don't see how a materialist could hold to any position but epiphenomenalism.
But back to your definition of "instinctual." If any behavior that is not driven by "immaterial" conceptual truths, thoughts or fact is "instinctual", then yes, all behavior is "instinctual." But that is not a commonly accepted definition.
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Originally posted by seer View PostSorry that makes no sense, in what way does biology aim for survival when the majority of species have gone extinct?
What does the result have to do with what something aims for? My favourite football team aims to win every game - this season they went 3 and 17. Could I say "in what sense to they aim to win when the majority of their games, they lose"?America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
That's just another way of saying that biology tends to get rid of the species that aren't so good at surviving.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostBut back to your definition of "instinctual." If any behavior that is not driven by "immaterial" conceptual truths, thoughts or fact is "instinctual", then yes, all behavior is "instinctual." But that is not a commonly accepted definition.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostIt makes perfect sense. What word are you having trouble with?
What does the result have to do with what something aims for? My favourite football team aims to win every game - this season they went 3 and 17. Could I say "in what sense to they aim to win when the majority of their games, they lose"?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
There are some pretty clever animals out there, they build things, use tools and like my dog, problem solve. Is that any more than instinctual?
Some animals have learned behaviors. I don't consider such behaviors to be instinctual, because I prefer commonly accepted definitions.
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