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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostIf morality is objective, it would not be surprising if comparisons of morals, by which you could judge moral principles, were objective, and recognizable. So "love fulfils the law", we can see how that would be true, and gives a framework for all morality.
America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut you conceded my point about them being made up.
Or you start out with the value that causing others pain for your gain is a good thing.
So I should have been an obedient Nazi in 1930s Germany?
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Actually, it's my point that moral rules are made up by humans. You seem to think they come from somewhere else.
I have not thought for a very long time that moral rules or, simply, the way to be, comes from 'somewhere else' - however I do think that morals or the way to be (and act) is discovered or, better, discerned and such actions enhance life. If life is not enhanced, they are false (i.e. Nazism), if life is enhanced there is truth - a truth discerned by and part of many religions.
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Originally posted by thormas View PostI have not thought for a very long time that moral rules or, simply, the way to be, comes from 'somewhere else' - however I do think that morals or the way to be (and act) is discovered or, better, discerned and such actions enhance life. If life is not enhanced, they are false (i.e. Nazism), if life is enhanced there is truth - a truth discerned by and part of many religions.
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But you can't call these things immoral. When chimps do this to each other do you call that immoral?
The only difference is that humans have the intellectual capacity to categorize ‘acceptable’ and ‘unacceptable’ behavior as a moral code whereas with chimps such behaviors are purely instinctive.
Of course they are fictions, there is no morality in biology except what we make up.
Biology predisposes evolved creatures via Natural Selection to behave in certain ways as a survival mechanism. So yes, morality is grounded in biology. It is a product of evolution in that it enhances our survival as a social species.
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"The only difference is that humans have the intellectual capacity to categorize ‘acceptable’ and ‘unacceptable’ behavior as a moral code whereas with chimps such behaviors are purely instinctive. "
And that makes all the difference: man is the self-conscious and the self-transcendent being.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe only difference is that humans have the intellectual capacity to categorize ‘acceptable’ and ‘unacceptable’ behavior as a moral code whereas with chimps such behaviors are purely instinctive.
Biology predisposes evolved creatures via Natural Selection to behave in certain ways as a survival mechanism. So yes, morality is grounded in biology. It is a product of evolution in that it enhances our survival as a social species.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostActually, it's my point that moral rules are made up by humans. You seem to think they come from somewhere else.
You can try creating a set of moral rules starting with that value, and see if you can get enough members of your society to go along with it. Frankly, I don't think it would catch on. Or if it did, the society wouldn't last long.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostAgain, that is not true. They don't need to be universal to be influential and something to which we can all refer.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by thormas View Post"The only difference is that humans have the intellectual capacity to categorize ‘acceptable’ and ‘unacceptable’ behavior as a moral code whereas with chimps such behaviors are purely instinctive. "
And that makes all the difference: man is the self-conscious and the self-transcendent being.
America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by seer View PostBiology does not aim for our survivalAmerica - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by seer View PostOn what basis would you call, let's say, what the Europeans did to the native tribes of Australia, immoral? Apart from your person preference?
America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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