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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMoral beliefs much more than this in that to socially acceptable behavior and this has evolved and varied from culture to culture over time.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMoral beliefs much more than this in that to socially acceptable behavior and this has evolved and varied from culture to culture over time.America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostI'm not sure what point you are trying to make here.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostOkay.
I like to think that when I err, I admit it and apologise. Of course, everybody likes to think that of themselves :)
Agreed again.
I think that's likely, but I'm not confident enough to move to strong atheism on the strength of it.
I am curious here. Why do you think that "something exists" is a better/more accurate conclusion than "I am"?
Of course, that is for academic purposes. In reality, I accept what appears to me to be the most likely truth: that I exist as an individual, physical being with sentience. I just cannot definitively prove it.
Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostMy favourite (in my younger partying days, at least, is Bibo, ergo sum - I drink, therefore I am.
Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostI've been on that merry-go-round once or twice..
There is no higher cookie than the chocolate chip.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostI cannot disagree - but I will say that I would be a lot less skeptical about "what god wants" if it didn't so often turn out to be the same thing wanted by the person telling you what god wants.
Quote of the day: you know you have created god in your own image and likeness when god wants/likes/approves everything you want/like/approve.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostCarp says so...
How do you know Carp is correct?
Carp says so...
(repeat, ad infinitum)
For the casual reader, Carpe has never made a claim to being absolutely or objectively right in the moral sphere. Holding that position would be inconsistent.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostA very poor response. Whether or not what Carp says is correct can be determined by the evidence supporting his claim. Sadly, the same is not true of the bible.
BTW - the heart of Seer's problem is his inability to recognize subjective claims when they are made, and to continue to insist that they must be objective to be "real" or "true" or "valid." I hold to morality as a subjective, relative exercise. He, obviously, does not. Unfortunately, he has never been able to see that his moral claims collapse to the subjective pretty quickly.
How would you classify yourself, in terms of moral philosophy?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post...or maintaining slavery or slaughtering the Native Americans.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post...or maintaining slavery or slaughtering the Native Americans.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnother pointless discussion with you about the circularity of your argument, Seer, or your inability to grasp it's errors, is not going to happen. As far as I can tell, you are chronically blind to it. I'll leave you to it.
For the casual reader, Carpe has never made a claim to being absolutely or objectively right in the moral sphere. Holding that position would be inconsistent.Last edited by seer; 09-17-2020, 06:45 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe sense of "I" appears to be an unchallengeable reality, but is it? Is it not possible that my sense of individuated being is simply an illusion, and "I" am simply one of many personalities of a being, each unaware of the existence of the others? My experience seems to unequivocally indicate that something exists, but it is not clear to me that this "something" is necessarily the individuated "I" that I experience.
Of course, that is for academic purposes. In reality, I accept what appears to me to be the most likely truth: that I exist as an individual, physical being with sentience. I just cannot definitively prove it.
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou are a scoundrel and a knave, sir. Had I you before me, I would cast my gauntlet upon the ground!
This bit is me, not Heinlein - The chocolate chip cookie is an example. They took the basic cookie and did all sorts of work on it. Made oatmeal cookies, gingerbread cookies, who knows what else. Then one day someone made the chocolate chip cookie - and that's where they should have stopped. There simply can be no better cookie. All others made since are just gilding the lilly.America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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