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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostFor the umpteenth time, it is subjective. Just like beauty, just like morality.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostPerhaps it isn't, in your opinion. Perhaps you would prefer that our society condone things like racism, sexism, vigilantism, rape, torture, and slavery.
I see it as progress that we no longer think such things are okay, at least as a society.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt does matter what I believe about those behaviors. It is the fact that is that if moral progress is merely a matter of opinion then it is no more significant than a personal preference of ice cream. It seems to me that progress requires requires some kind of universal or objective goal to aim at, to live up to.
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt does matter what I believe about those behaviors. It is the fact that is that if moral progress is merely a matter of opinion then it is no more significant than a personal preference of ice cream. It seems to me that progress requires requires some kind of universal or objective goal to aim at, to live up to.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostIt may seem that way to you, but it doesn't seem that way to me.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight. If a moral supports the best interests of society and thus the overall best interests of individual members thereof then the moral is more significant than a personal preference.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostNo, moral progress is apparent to anyone whose morals mostly agree with mine. Which appears to be most of my society.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo it is silly to call it progress. Is believing that the Mona Lisa is beautiful progress?
The idea of progressing toward more beauty has already been covered (post #1730 in this thread).
All of the questions you are asking me have already been addressed - why do you keep asking them over and over again?America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt does matter what I believe about those behaviors. It is the fact that is that if moral progress is merely a matter of opinion then it is no more significant than a personal preference of ice cream.
The idea of moral progress is as meaningful/significant/useful as the idea of morality. Both are completely subjective.
Originally posted by seer View PostIt seems to me that progress requires requires some kind of universal or objective goal to aim at, to live up to.America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim do we really have to go through this again?
And be specific.
Take the moral argument against murder for example. It is obviously in the best interests of society as a whole that murder be seen as immoral, and it is in the overall best interests of the individuals therein that there is a moral against their being murdered. That's more significant than being "just a personal preference". That doesn't make the law against murder itself objective, but the effect of that law is objective.
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostThere's nothing silly about it, nor have you shown it is.
The idea of progressing toward more beauty has already been covered (post #1730 in this thread).
All of the questions you are asking me have already been addressed - why do you keep asking them over and over again?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostThat's obviously incorrect, or we wouldn't have things like suburban beautification projects. Moral progress is subjective and is generally held to be that which is in accordance with the society. Allowing same sex marriage, for example, was predominantly seen as moral progress in our society. That's not to say that everybody viewed it as such; just the majority.
The idea of moral progress is as meaningful/significant/useful as the idea of morality. Both are completely subjective.
Then I'm sorry, but you're wrong. That's not generally how we use the term.Last edited by seer; 08-31-2020, 11:20 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThen refute the assertion that "if a moral is in the best interest of society and thus the overall best interest of the individuals therein, then it is more significant than a personal preference".
And be specific.
Take the moral argument against murder for example. It is obviously in the best interests of society as a whole that murder be seen as immoral, and it is in the overall best interests of the individuals therein that there is a moral against their being murdered. That's more significant than being "just a personal preference". That doesn't make the law against murder itself objective, but the effect of that law is objective.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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