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Philosophy 201 Guidelines
Cogito ergo sum
Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
Why do you consider a baby which is born, a person? It can't think, speak, feed itself, or even help messing itself. Dogs are smarter. So why is that baby a person in your eyes?
Very true! This is why the law states that an abortion should not occur (other than in the most exceptional circumstances), once the fetus can survive independently of the mother as a viable person...i.e. at the end of the second trimester. The vast majority of abortions occur during the first trimester.
So you just admitted your previous statement about what constitutes a person is invalid.
I guess we can conclude that you are not the person to ask when a person begins.
I would be interested in you showing me that section where it says to burn witches.
Just goes to show that one cannot obtain a universal moral code from scripture.
But we can.
But your worldview is that morals are just group agreements on what is right or wrong. So yes, in your world, if a society determines a group of humans are not "persons" then it is perfectly moral to destroy them.
True! Just as this same society no longer accepts that it is perfectly moral to burn witches, stone women for infidelity, treat women like property in general and discriminate against LGBT folk.
But under your view, it would be perfectly acceptable for this very society to decide to do all of those things again if they change their minds.
This was also the Evangelical position for most of its history.
You were the one arguing that birth is when a person exists. I don't care what you claim jews thought. We have already shown you multiple times that you are wrong. You can quote some moron on the dailykos all you want. They don't have a clue. His article is worse than your rationalizations. We even have shown you passages in the bible where Jesus and John the Baptist reacted to each other while still in the womb.
But I realize that nothing we say will change your mind. So you will continue to attack and burn your strawman, while we laugh at you and shake our heads, wondering what you think you are accomplishing.
This was the Evangelical position too until recently.
I don't care what you claim jews thought. We have already shown you multiple times that you are wrong. You can quote some moron on the dailykos all you want. They don't have a clue. His article is worse than your rationalizations.
See above.
We even have shown you passages in the bible where Jesus and John the Baptist reacted to each other while still in the womb.
No big deal Tass, that was just the culture at the time. It wasn't good or evil - it just was...
Never ceases to amaze me how people who claim morals are just preferences or evolutionary adaptations keep trying to argue as if there is an objective good or evil we should agree on. They can't keep their story straight.
Never ceases to amaze me how people who claim morals are just preferences or evolutionary adaptations keep trying to argue as if there is an objective good or evil we should agree on. They can't keep their story straight.
No, their God given intuition for universal moral truths keep peeking out...
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
No, their God given intuition for universal moral truths keep peeking out...
What's God got to do with it? The evolved instincts of altruism, empathy, and gratitude all underpin moral behaviour. They were built into us via natural selection because they are beneficial to the breeding and survival of our species as social animals.
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