Abortion Is Equal To Murder?

[Tassman]

So, let's take a look at the author of this incredibly powerful and persuasive piece blasting Evangelicals....

What's your problem, leaving aside your genetic fallacy of course? He's not the kooky crank you're trying to make him out to be:

http://www.patheos.com/resources/add...8-15-2011.aspx

"Jonathan Dudley is the author of "Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics", published by Random House. He grew up in the evangelical Christian community in Grand Rapids, Michigan, Donald Trump's last campaign stop during the election and a crucial region in swinging the state red. He graduated summa cum laude from Yale University Divinity School, where he studied evangelical Christian political activism, and holds a medical doctorate from the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. His writing and political activism have been featured in the New York Times and he has appeared on CNN's Newsroom". Bio from the review of his book 'Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics'.

[Tassman]

Do you actually think "you lot" are opposed to abortion under any circumstances?

It seems so, judging by the hysteria about "murdering babies in the womb" that invariably accompanies such discussions.

[Cow Poke]

It seems so, judging by the hysteria about "murdering babies in the womb" that invariably accompanies such discussions.

A) It is so like Tassman to look at a simple statement calmly typed, and see "hysteria". So Drama Queen.
2) It is so like Tassman to ignore the fact that even the SBC Resolution he's been repeatedly misrepresenting calls for allowance for exceptions for abortions in some cases.

[Tassman]

A) It is so like Tassman to look at a simple statement calmly typed, and see "hysteria". So Drama Queen.

A "simple statement calmly typed" would be "the termination of a fetus". This as opposed to "murdering innocent babies in the womb", commonplace around these parts, which is deliberately misleading emotive hysteria.

2) It is so like Tassman to ignore the fact that even the SBC Resolution he's been repeatedly misrepresenting calls for allowance for exceptions for abortions in some cases.

"Cases" likely to cause the death of the mother...anything else? What about in cases of rape or incest or severe fetal abnormality?

[Cow Poke]

A "simple statement calmly typed" would be "the termination of a fetus". This as opposed to "murdering innocent babies in the womb", commonplace around these parts, which is deliberately misleading emotive hysteria.

Proving, once again, what a drama queen you are.

"Cases" likely to cause the death of the mother...anything else? What about in cases of rape or incest or severe fetal abnormality?

Why don't you actually try READING, instead of just endlessly spewing forth ignorance?

[Tassman]

Proving, once again, what a drama queen you are.



Why don't you actually try READING, instead of just endlessly spewing forth ignorance?

Well, nothing here!

[Quantum Weirdness]

"Cases" likely to cause the death of the mother...anything else? What about in cases of rape or incest or severe fetal abnormality?

You're just trolling now, aren't you?

[kiwimac]

This is a syllogism by a cyber friend from New Zealand, Bnonn Tennant. I think the logic is solid.

1.It is wrong to kill another human being for personal reasons (because it is murder)

2.A human zygote or fetus is a human being

3.Therefore, it is wrong to kill a human zygote or fetus for personal reasons

https://bnonn.com/why-abortion-is-ir...ent-to-murder/

1: Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life.
2: Abortion is not unlawful.
3: Therefore abortion is not murder.

[Tassman]

You're just trolling now, aren't you?

You implied that Evangelicals are NOT opposed to abortion under any circumstances. So, I asked what, other the the likely death of the mother which all agree upon, Evangelicals would accept as options, suggesting that in cases of rape or incest or severe fetal abnormality it would be reasonable to abort. I specifically mentioned these examples because I have heard them objected to by many Evangelicals who are not prepared to allow any exceptions. And your prevarication, and that of the inimitable CP, suggests you agree with them. Am I correct?

[Cerebrum123]

1: Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life.
2: Abortion is not unlawful.
3: Therefore abortion is not murder.

1. Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life.
2. It was lawful in Nazi Germany to kill Jews.
3. It was not murder for the Nazis to kill Jews.

You might want to rethink your argument since the same logic makes the Holocaust justifiable.

[Cow Poke]

Am I correct?

Almost never.

[KingsGambit]

1. Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life.
2. It was lawful in Nazi Germany to kill Jews.
3. It was not murder for the Nazis to kill Jews.

You might want to rethink your argument since the same logic makes the Holocaust justifiable.

Not quite, you'd need a step 4 to argue that the Holocaust was justifiable. As it is, he's just playing a semantic game that proves nothing.

[Tassman]

1. Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life.
2. It was lawful in Nazi Germany to kill Jews.
3. It was not murder for the Nazis to kill Jews.

You might want to rethink your argument since the same logic makes the Holocaust justifiable.

Nor was it "murder" for Moses to rape, pillage and kill all the Midianites. But we've moved on since then. Morality evolves. If Moses did today what he did then he would be hauled before the the International Court of Criminal Justice for gross human rights violations.

[Tassman]

Almost never.

[seer]

Nor was it "murder" for Moses to rape, pillage and kill all the Midianites. But we've moved on since then. Morality evolves. If Moses did today what he did then he would be hauled before the the International Court of Criminal Justice for gross human rights violations.

There is no moving on with atheistic morality Tass. There is no objectively better or worse - just change. And what happened with the Midianites was in the context of war (the Midianites and Amalekites were constantly attacking the Hebrews). Not much different than us firebombing Tokyo or Dresden, as a matter of fact those were worse in the number of lives lost.