Abortion Is Equal To Murder?

[Bill the Cat]

Stop being so dramatically outraged.

No. It's warranted when idiots like you can't admit they are wrong.

A fetus does have rights.

Yes. At ANY stage of development according to the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. Do you deny that?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841

Currently, in the US, this is generally when the life of the fetus is its own and viable and therefore subject to being protected by the state.

Wrong. It does not stipulate there are exclusions to when the conduct that harms the child in utero takes place

Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.

You are wrong Tassy.

[Bill the Cat]

45 years ago we didn't have actual video of the baby in the womb. 45 years ago, a mother couldn't watch a sonogram of the new person growing inside her.

And the Op-Ed itself stated there were many opinions on the subject. The Op-Ed was not an official proclamation by the SBC, so why Tassy is bandying it about like it was a papal decree is beyond me...

[Bill the Cat]

No, stupid. ONE evangelical said that. There were some that agreed and some that disagreed.

Sonograms do not change the reality of what was known about fetal development 45 years ago when this Landmark Decision was made.

Sure it did. That's why there is a collapse clause, and if we ever got a SCOTUS that wasn't populated by the rabidly pro-abortion female trio of morons, we'd get a logical decision based on actual science instead of the selfish abuse of the word "privacy"...

[Cow Poke]

And the Op-Ed itself stated there were many opinions on the subject. The Op-Ed was not an official proclamation by the SBC, so why Tassy is bandying it about like it was a papal decree is beyond me...

It's Tassman, so...

[Tassman]

No. It's warranted when idiots like you can't admit they are wrong.

Yes. At ANY stage of development according to the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. Do you deny that?

Except in the case of abortion as approved by the mother! Do you deny that?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841

Wrong. It does not stipulate there are exclusions to when the conduct that harms the child in utero takes place

See above.

And the Op-Ed itself stated there were many opinions on the subject. The Op-Ed was not an official proclamation by the SBC, so why Tassy is bandying it about like it was a papal decree is beyond me...

[Cow Poke]

ONE guy, who was a liberal.

was in "The Baptist Press", a wire service run by the Southern Baptist Convention

As his OPINION.

And, as usual, you dishonestly omit a very crucial truth.... When asked the official SBC position... (I'll bold it and embiggen it for you so you don't miss it)

Question: What is the Southern Baptist position on abortion?

Answer: There is no official Southern Baptist position on abortion, or any other such question. Among 12 million Southern Baptists, there are probably 12 million different opinions.

In short, the rigid, universal anti-abortion stance we see among Evangelicals today is a relatively recent phenomenon

Certainly not according to the source you mutilate.

[Littlejoe]

Meanwhile, my denomination, the Assemblies of God, with it's 3 million US members and 67 million worldwide, (even though it like the SBC churches are also composed of autonomous bodies), still takes a very Anti-abortion stance.

ABORTION

This document reflects commonly held beliefs based on scripture which have been endorsed by the church's Commission on Doctrinal Purity and the Executive Presbytery. Why does the Assemblies of God oppose abortion?
The Assemblies of God is unashamedly pro-life

[Tassman]

ONE guy, who was a liberal.

He was the bureau chief of 'Baptist Press', which is the official news service of the Southern Baptist Convention and responsible for providing regular news releases about Southern Baptists, serving as the Convention's press representative.

As his OPINION.

It was his editorial as bureau chief of the official organ of the Southern Baptist Convention. His role was to reflect the views of the SBC.

And, as usual, you dishonestly omit a very crucial truth.... When asked the official SBC position... (I'll bold it and embiggen it for you so you don't miss it)

Question: What is the Southern Baptist position on abortion?

Answer: There is no official Southern Baptist position on abortion, or any other such question. Among 12 million Southern Baptists, there are probably 12 million different opinions.

So abortion supposedly being about In short, if the state laws are now made to conform to the Supreme Court ruling, the decision to obtain an abortion or to bring pregnancy to full term can now be a matter of conscience and deliberate choice

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/b...on-roe-v-wade/

[Bill the Cat]

Yes you are. You are making the single exception to the fetus' legal rights the only situation applicable. YOU - ARE - WRONG.

Currently in the US according to the law of the land, as per the SCOTUS Roe v Wade Landmark decision, the rights of the fetus begin when the life of the fetus is its own and viable.

No. Currently in the US according to the law of the land, as per the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, the rights of a fetus begin at conception, and are 100% protected from being harmed, except for by the mother and her doctor.

This is when it warrants protection by the state.

Wrong.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/p...121503dmot.pdf

On November 12, 2004, a jury convicted Peterson of two counts of murder: first-degree murder with special circumstances for killing Laci, and second-degree murder for killing the fetus she carried.

Except in the case of abortion as approved by the mother! Do you deny that?

No. That's what I said in the first place. The only one who can legally murder their fetus is the mother and her doctor. ALL other instances and perpetrators are breaking the law by harming the fetus. Ergo, fetuses have rights under all but 1 circumstance.

See above.

See above.



Do you even know what an Op-Ed is?

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/op-ed

Definition of op-ed for English Language Learners

: an essay in a newspaper or magazine that gives the opinion of the writer and that is written by someone who is not employed by the newspaper or magazine

© Copyright Original Source

It can be reasonably assumed to represent the opinion of Evangelicals 45 years ago when it was written.

because that's how op-eds work...

He was wrong. It was his opinion. And they were relatively ignorant on matters of science.

In short, the rigid, universal anti-abortion stance we see among Evangelicals today is a relatively recent phenomenon.

Doesn't make that stance wrong though.

[Cow Poke]

He was the bureau chief of 'Baptist Press',

You are REALLY doubling down on ignorance, Tass. No, he was ONE bureau chief of ONE office of the Baptist Press. He worked in the DC office - the HOME office of the SBC is Nashville, not DC. Just a few years later, his predecessor was even denied credentials to attend the annual meeting, because that office was pretty much a rogue office.

which is the official news service of the Southern Baptist Convention and responsible for providing regular news releases about Southern Baptists, serving as the Convention's press representative.

Baptist Press is the news organization, with bureaus all around the world - the home office is Nashville.

It was his editorial as bureau chief of the official organ of the Southern Baptist Convention. His role was to reflect the views of the SBC.

ABSOLUTELY wrong - and just repeating it over and over, as is your game, doesn't change the truth.

Either you are incredibly ignorant or incredibly dishonest. Or both.

[One Bad Pig]

Just a few years later, his predecessor was even denied credentials to attend the annual meeting, because that office was pretty much a rogue office.

[rogue06]

...a rogue office.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, his .. um... the guy that took over his job.

At the rogue office.

Where MUCH controversy continued to flow, having to do with the Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs, which the SBC funded in part, and which we ended up DEfunding. Cause we kinda thought they must have been sitting around smoking joints or something, cause their 'policy' and activities were often at odds with the SBC.

(get it, the "joint" committee?)

[rogue06]

At the rogue office.

[Cow Poke]

You really should go there and clean things up.