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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Shuny, this is not only about science, it is about how any of us can know universals. There is no difference between the two examples, it is just as irrational to argue from particulars to universals in example one as in example two. The problem of induction applies to all disciplines including science. This is obvious to any one without an agenda. This is also in the fact that you have not answered the most basis question - how do you/we know (with our limited experience) that the laws of nature/logic are universal and will remain so in the future.
http://www.ditext.com/russell/rus6.html
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Originally posted by seer View PostI didn't say I wouldn't want to live. Just like the house flies wants to live - but we know what we do to them.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIn reality no one of any world view believes that life is worthless, and do not want to live unless they have severe depression and off their meds.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo, one foolish false swan thingie means nothing in your argument, because presuppositional view.
You consider all other world views as irrational, so what?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI know that you didn't say that seer, that is why i didn't ask you that. What i asked is that if, as you contend, life is meaningless if you are naught but a biological accident of nature, then why, what would be your reasons, for wanting to live?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally Shuny? I'm not even using a presuppositional argument per se! Good grief man, I even linked the work of a famous atheist philosopher.
Listen, any "rational" person can see that arguing from particulars to universal is irrational. Whether we are speaking of swans, or the laws of nature/logic. What is really going on here Shuny, is that you simply do not want to admit that you are wrong.
It is your problem that you consider all other world views 'irrational' other then your Christian worldview. In your view all scientists are 'irrational,' because they 'do science' based on the logical assumption' that the Law of non-contradiction of the physical evidence applies to the past, the future and in space beyond our present knowledge. It is not a matter of wanting to or not, it is a matter of fact that science develops new knowledge all the time going to the particular to the universal and easily assuming the Law of non-contradiction is valid, because there is no evidence that it is not.Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-10-2014, 07:05 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally? Did the Nazis think the lives of the Jews were valuable? Did the Hutu think the lives of the Tutsi were valuable? Did the Khmer Rouge think that the lives of Cambodia's intellectuals were valuable?Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-10-2014, 08:41 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally Shuny? I'm not even using a presuppositional argument per se! Good grief man, I even linked the work of a famous atheist philosopher. Listen, any "rational" person can see that arguing from particulars to universal is irrational. Whether we are speaking of swans, or the laws of nature/logic. What is really going on here Shuny, is that you simply do not want to admit that you are wrong.Originally posted by seer“ . . . apart from the Christian worldview we could not know anything…But since the Christian world is true we can actually know things”.
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Originally posted by seer View PostEven the house fly tries to escape when you attempt to swat it. So we have an innate desire to survive. That however does not mean we should survive or that we have inherent worth or meaning.
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Originally posted by seer View PostEven the house fly tries to escape when you attempt to swat it. So we have an innate desire to survive.That however does not mean we should survive or that we have inherent worth or meaning.Last edited by Tassman; 10-10-2014, 11:34 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI do not care who you linked to, it remains a foolish argument. First I am not an atheist. As far as going from the particular to the universal, science does it all the time with predictions of hypothesis and theories of the unknown, and with excellent results. Black holes and the basic particles of matter unknown prior to the prediction, and guess what, science got it right, from the particular to the universal.
It is your problem that you consider all other world views 'irrational' other then your Christian worldview. In your view all scientists are 'irrational,' because they 'do science' based on the logical assumption' that the Law of non-contradiction of the physical evidence applies to the past, the future and in space beyond our present knowledge. It is not a matter of wanting to or not, it is a matter of fact that science develops new knowledge all the time going to the particular to the universal and easily assuming the Law of non-contradiction is valid, because there is no evidence that it is not.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNazi card always fails, First most Nazis were Christian. Second, did the Christians realized the lives of the Jews and others that do not believe as they do were slaughtered?Last edited by seer; 10-11-2014, 05:49 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, why do you believe that you would still have an innate desire to survive in a Godless world?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is not what I asked Shuny. You said: In reality no one of any world view believes that life is worthless.Well obviously there are people, and groups who do believe that the lives of others are worthless.
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