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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight like I have been saying, creation ex nihilo does not necessarily prove God or disprove God as Vilenkin states, but what Vilenkin is suggesting is creation ex nihilo, creation out of nothing (no prior time, space or matter) the only preexisting thing necessary are the laws of physics (in the Platonic sense). Very close to what theology has been teaching for centuries.
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Modern physics can describe the emergence of the universe as a physical process that does not require a causeAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostModern physics can describe the emergence of the universe as a physical process that does not require a causeSounds like a miracle to me...
Physicists have shown that in quantum mechanics it is possible for a single event to be both, a cause and an effect of another one.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt would...to you.
Physicists have shown that in quantum mechanics it is possible for a single event to be both, a cause and an effect of another one.
To quote Robert Jastrow, astronomer, planetary physicist and NASA scientist,:
For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd you think that makes sense? Here is the bottom line.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...ocal-causality
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo it doesn't "make sense" to the intuitive mind, but quantum mechanics is famously counter-intuitive. This has been your mistake along. The "bottom line" is that quantum mechanics wreaks havoc with conventional ideas of causality.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...ocal-causality
Without cause and effect, science would be impossible. You could never use an observation to deduce anything about the underlying mechanism that caused it
"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." Richard Feynman, The Character of Physical Law (MIT Press: Cambridge, Massachusetts)Last edited by seer; 10-31-2017, 06:49 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostPeople can follow my links to Vilenkin's works. Shuny you are being completely dishonest, please stop posting in this thread.
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Originally posted by seer View PostLet me quote from your link:
So either you believe science is impossible, since cause and effect is necessary, or the bottom line is that we really don't fully understand quantum mechanics.That there is a deeper cause and effect scenario that we just don't get yet. Or it's magic or perhaps supernatural.
"Therefore God". As always you fall back on an Argument from Ignorance
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Originally posted by seer View PostLet me quote from your link:
So either you believe science is impossible, since cause and effect is necessary, or the bottom line is that we really don't fully understand quantum mechanics. That there is a deeper cause and effect scenario that we just don't get yet. Or it's magic or perhaps supernatural.
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Tass, do you believe that things pop into existence without a cause?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostTass, do you believe that things pop into existence without a cause?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...particles-rea/
Physicists have shown that in quantum mechanics it is possible for a single event to be both, a cause and an effect of another one.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostParticle physics allows for this.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...particles-rea/
Physicists have shown that in quantum mechanics it is possible for a single event to be both, a cause and an effect of another one.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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How are thing popping into existence without a cause really any different than a miracle?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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