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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Objective Morality (Once More Into The Breach)
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostOn the premise that there is no God. They do exist. Not just because we have minds to realize them.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell of course Lee, these principles exist in the mind of God, or in our minds. Moral principles only exist in moral and rational minds - where else could they exist?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, they could be self-existent. But what if no one (for the sake of argument) thinks of a moral principle. Does it therefore not exist?
Blessings,
LeeAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell of course Lee, these principles exist in the mind of God, or in our minds. Moral principles only exist in moral and rational minds - where else could they exist?Originally posted by seer View PostLee, the question is how can moral principles self-exist? What does that even mean? The ideal "murder is wrong" is floating behind Mars?Last edited by Tassman; 09-10-2017, 11:50 PM.
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Rocks, the laws of physics, suns, distance, gravity etc... all can exist apart from any mind - how does that work with moral principles? Be specific please.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostDo moral and rational minds objectively exist? If yes, then objective morality exists in order for moral and rational minds to discover. If moral and rational minds do not objectively exist. Then you are right.
What makes anything good? Either there is no such thing as good. Or good is part of our objective reality. It is behavior which requires minds.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat makes no sense, it does not follow that because we think morally that therefore objective morality exists, that is a logical leap. I prefer steak to chicken - does that make it true that steak is objectively better than chicken?
Good is what conforms to the law and commands of God.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostEither good is an objective reality or there is no such thing as good.
On the premise there is no God. You have not shown that premise is impossible. You are arguing good is only by fiat. Good is by the whim of a none existent God.Last edited by seer; 09-11-2017, 05:09 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostLee, the question is how can moral principles self-exist? What does that even mean?"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostBut I need to know here, what if no one (for the sake of argument) thinks of a moral principle. Does it therefore not exist?
Blessings,
LeeAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell of course, if there is no God then ethics are relative - to the individual, culture or society. What else could there be?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThey are naturally built into us, because those instincts, which form the basis upon which we build our moral codes, were beneficial to the breeding and survival of our species as a social species. This is the origin of morality, not God.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYes Lee, if there are no minds to hold moral principles then those principles do not exist.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostBut let's say no one thinks of a moral principle, does it therefore not exist?
Blessings,
LeeAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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