Originally posted by carpedm9587
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Then, IMO, they have not truly looked at the nature of their argument. As I said, it's a tautology. Tautologies don't say anything. Building an entire system on a tautology does not, to me, make any sense.
Presumably. We never know whether a person has a twisted moral code, or if they are simply failing to live up to the more normal code they actually have.
There is no UNIVERSAL moral high ground from which to judge these things. There is no ABSOLUTE moral high ground from which to judge these things. There is no ETERNAL moral high ground from which to judge these things. But then this sentence is (again) just another way of repeating, "it's subjective." You haven't said anything. There IS a moral "high ground" that is the basis for judgment - but it is a subjective one.
In my moral framework, rape is always wrong. In the moral framework of most societies and most people, rape is always wrong. If we encounter a society/person that attempts to defend rape as a moral good, we will attempt to reason/convince otherwise, then we will attempt to isolate/separate, then we will contend.
Subjective morality is what we observe all around us. Until someone can demonstrate 1) why morality MUST be absolute/universal/eternal and 2) that such a moral framework actually exists, subjective morality appears to be what we have to work with. So far, no one has done either 1) or 2). You certainly have not. Even in this post, all you have done is a) reaffirm that subjective morality is subjective, b) complain that it's not objective, and c) attempt another argument from outrage with references ot Hitler, Mao, gassing children, rape, etc. You still have not tackled, in any coherent way, 1) and 2).
Meanwhile, I have drawn a parallel between ethics and law (which you continue to ignore), noted that law appears to be perfectly functional as a subjective framework (which you continue to ignore), explained how subjective frameworks deal with differing moral precepts, and given multiple examples of how that plays out individually and culturally.
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