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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post"Unjust" compared to what?
So is our recognition that they need to be contained because they are socially harmful, hence our development of the rules of behaviour we call morality. Morality exists as a means of restraining individual selfishness and building more cooperative groupsAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Charles, it can not be answered using deductive reasoning, you know that, that is why you are using subterfuge. Then you questioned my using an assumption as it relates to us knowing reality, yet you offer nothing else. You have to make the exact same assumption without logical justification. That my good man is hypocritical.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd those are wrong why? See Tass is a determinist, with the laws nature determining our thoughts, beliefs and actions. So what you find in the Old Testament are merely behaviors determined by nature.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThere is nothing dishonest in what I am saying. I have written a rather long presentation of why I hold the question cannot be answered. That is because it is unclear and partly misunderstood. I have given my reasons why I think so. Then you and everyone else is free to disagree. Nothing dishonest in that.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, not the real world, but another real world. If you live in a matrix world, then whether or not there exists another external world would be irrelevant. If there is another universe, external to the one we inhabit, that wouldn't make the one we inhabit any less real.
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Originally posted by seer View PostCharles, just admit that that we can not logically justify the premise that our minds correspond to reality and that we have rely on an unprovable assumption. You know that is the case - why hedge?
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI like it when the best defence you can deliever is to leave it open whether murdering people because of their sexual activities is fair or not.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Charles View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Charles View PostYour points are rather interesting because they make it so obvious that it is rather unclear what is even ment with the word "reality" in the context in which seer uses it. Some would say that sensation or perception is simply all there is to reality (not that I agree at all). Others argue there must be a mind independent reality in order for there to really be a reality.Last edited by JimL; 07-13-2017, 11:39 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYeah, I think seer's main point is really just that he can not know which world it is that we inhabit, that he can't know whether the world is one in which reality exists only in the mind, or is one in which there is an external component to reality which corresponds with the mind. My point is that it doesn't really make any difference, whether or not the kind of world to which we belong has an external component to it is irrelevant to the question of whether our minds correspond to that world or not. Our minds obviously correspond to the reality of the world we inhabit whether there is an external component to it or not. If there is an external component to reality, then our minds correspond to that reality, otherwise the existence of an external component would be superfluous, and if reality exists only in our minds, then that is the only reality there is, so the question becomes pointless.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally Charles? Why would it be murder? If a country did have the death penalty for certain deviant sexual behaviors how on earth would that be murder?Last edited by Charles; 07-13-2017, 02:12 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, my main point is that we can not logically or empirically (without begging the question) make the case that what goes on in our minds corresponds to reality. We assume that is does, which is fine, but it is a logically unprovable assumption. That is all I am saying.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostKilling would be the right word (I ususally don't speak or write in English so errors occur) but it does not make any difference at all. You take another persons life without any justification.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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