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Originally posted by seer View PostSo all our choices are determined. Then in what way are they free? How can they be both determined and free if all our choices are fixed by the laws of nature?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAgain, again, again and again . . . Abdu'l baha is only referring ONLY to the dispensation of Adam. Yes, Adam is a special Creation that has been acknowledged many many times. In all the dispensation over hundreds of thousands of years we get our physical nature for the first Adam of that dispensation. Our physical nature for the many millennia remains the Creation of God through the manifestations of God.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . because it is the possible range of choices that are limited by natural law, just as all possible outcomes of events in the chain of events are limited by natural law.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View Postseem to be our own, undetermined choices and we make them a
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Originally posted by seer View PostGood so you agree that all we humans are descendants of one man - Adam. And that we did not get our physical nature from the beings (humans or otherwise) that came before Adam. So since Adam was not biologically connected to those past beings (he was a special creation without father or mother) we are not biologically related to them (humans or otherwise) either.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . because we have possible choices within the alternatives 'determined' by natural law.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNoAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . because we have possible choices within the alternatives 'determined' by natural law.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNot sure that answers the question exactly Tass. The point I was trying to make was that it seems we have the ability to consciously suppress subconscious activity, i.e. thoughts/directives. We do this whenever we meditate, we consciously suppress subconscious thoughts from entering our consciousness.I'm finding it difficult to reconcile consciousness as naught but an after effect of our subconscious thoughts/directives, when in fact we are able to consciously suppress those very subconscious thoughts and or directives from even entering our awareness.
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut all our possible choices are still determined. That is not free in any sense of the word Shuny.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo they are not, the range of possible choices is determined, but it does not limit the possible choices to only one, nor are the outcome of any natural events limited to only one outcome. We indeed potentially have free will, but of course, we cannot take off and fly by flapping our arms regardless of how hard we try.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat does not make sense Shuny, even if there is more than one possible outcome, whatever the outcome is, is still fully determined by the laws of nature as you said. There is no free will in that picture, if you think there is you have a strange idea on what constitutes freedom.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt makes perfect sense seer, because that is the reality of the world the way it is regardless of how you try and 'force fit' into your agenda and world view.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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