Originally posted by Machinist
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The most fundamental truth to me at this point, is that consciousness did not arise from non conscious processes. Consciousness in some form is eternal, that is, the lights have always been on. The only alternative is to say that something came from nothing. Some people seem to be comfortable with that. It doesn't make me feel any particular way, other than wondering how someone can even suggest the possibility. It collides with the very notion of existence. If something comes from nothing...what are some implications of this. That is, if this is true, what are some implications with regard to logic and reality?
It seems and feels to me, that there has always been something rather than nothing. Something that is existent, did not appear into existence from non existence. We must begin with self existence, and more specifically, the self existence of a Rational Mind. If we don't, then we are implying that rationality arose and came into existence via non rational processes. That's the same as saying there was nothing, then there was something. If there was nothing, then something, there would mean there was something enfolded into that nothingness, which would in turn mean there was something, even if you posit the quantum state. You can't really escape this brute fact. It's the beginning of all logic and reality.
It seems and feels to me, that there has always been something rather than nothing. Something that is existent, did not appear into existence from non existence. We must begin with self existence, and more specifically, the self existence of a Rational Mind. If we don't, then we are implying that rationality arose and came into existence via non rational processes. That's the same as saying there was nothing, then there was something. If there was nothing, then something, there would mean there was something enfolded into that nothingness, which would in turn mean there was something, even if you posit the quantum state. You can't really escape this brute fact. It's the beginning of all logic and reality.
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