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Denying Self-Consciousness, Quantum and a Christian answer to the Problem of Evil
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNope, that does not follow . . .
Problem, your sitting on the fence and getting splinters in your butt sliding back and forth, and in reality it does not work in the traditional belief of Christianity, nor your view. The Baha'i view nor mine is not remotely the view of traditional Christianity concerning the nature of Evil.
The issue is Evil, and the roots of very real Evil in traditional Christianity as understood by the Church Fathers and ALL the traditional Churches in history. A metaphorical approach and the absence of evil is not compatible with this history of belief in Christianity, and the conflict between Good and Evil, nor is it remotely your belief.
To support this just simply read the Book of Revelation, which portray's a classic black and white conflict between Good and a very real Evil.
The bottom line is the metaphorical belief in Genesis and the purpose of Jesus Christ is not compatible with traditional Christian beliefs concerning the nature of Evil.
You conveniently side stepped Tassman's question.
Again . . .
The view of the Baha'i Faith, and I, is there is no Evil infecting humanity, but humanity Created fallible with a will, and the actions of humanity that are wrong are simply absence of Good, and humanity has always been Created as fallibly human, and the spiritual evolution and advancement of humanity toward salvation as individuals and humanity as a whole.
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Originally posted by grmorton View PostI think when you say that 'nothing about science says truth is being discovered' says it all. Science is about discovering truth. And if truth isn't discovered, why pester YECs to convert to old earth? lol
Originally posted by grmorton View PostAnd you have experience of Will without knowing it is doing anything? Webster defines Will (the one appropriate here) as "used to express determination, insistence, persistence, or willfulness " What exactly is it that has determination without knowing it has determination? Will is a mental state of consciousness, not of rocks. A rock does not insist on doing anything.
I wouldn't claim a bacterium has anything like self-consciousness, but we could use your definition of 'will' to describe its deliberate motion towards light (for example).
Originally posted by grmorton View PostThis is a faith statement. You can't possibly examine my mental state. I could have given in and gone to sleep. I made a choice. Further, you can't be sure I have a mental state by observational data. All the philosophers agree that the solipsism problem is avoided only by assumption.
Originally posted by grmorton View PostThe math is quite well understood, I use the same math in my business. The problem is what it means is not well understood or agreed upon. And I always hate cops who say, you can't introduce this or that concept to a debate. What makes you the traffic cop of argumentation?
Notice that I didn't say you couldn't introduce it, only that doing so is a fatal flaw. It always is, for exactly the reasons you already mentioned.
Originally posted by grmorton View PostI think we can agree that something has continuity for the extent of our lives. Good job of mistaking Theseus for Thesian. But then, we all do make mistakes including me. It was the Ship of Theseus.
Originally posted by grmorton View PostAs I think I said, and you must have missed, every single interpretation of quantum requires an observer to do whatever that interpretation believes in. This places the consciousness square in the center of what happens in the universe.Last edited by Carrikature; 02-02-2017, 12:04 PM.I'm not here anymore.
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