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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Compatibalism
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sTags: None
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Originally posted by seer View PostJedidiah, are you a Calvinist? Because the B-Theory of time logically leads to strict determinism.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI am a compatiblist. I see both free will and predestination taught in scripture so both must be true."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Compatibilism is just another word for determinism since it denies libertarian free will.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostCompatibilism is just another word for determinism since it denies libertarian free will.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostHow is "libertarian free will" different than regular old free will? This rabbit trail is a bit too much for this thread though.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostCompatibilists are not necessarily Determinists. They simply see no conflict between Free Will and Determinism.
However, I am quite happy to admit that I am a Determinist. I simply also happen to be a Compatibilist.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell I have yet to meet a Compatibilist who accepts libertarian freedom, which is the only way to escape determinism."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell I have yet to meet a Compatibilist who accepts libertarian freedom, which is the only way to escape determinism.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAlthough I haven't given a whole lot of thought to the subject...
...from a purely common sense perspective compatibilism sounds like rubbish to me. I just googled it and tend to agree with W. James who called it a "quagmire of evasion" and E. Kant who called it a "wretched subterfuge" and "word jugglery.""[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostYou probably should have stopped here.
You don't think that forming an opinion about a rather complex philosophical subject based solely on a quick Google search is just a bit premature? I could understand, "I just Googled it, and I don't really find the arguments I've read for it to be convincing." But to call it "rubbish" based on an admittedly poor understanding of the subject is somewhat ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostYou don't think that forming an opinion about a rather complex philosophical subject based solely on a quick Google search is just a bit premature? I could understand, "I just Googled it, and I don't really find the arguments I've read for it to be convincing." But to call it "rubbish" based on an admittedly poor understanding of the subject is somewhat ridiculous.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOh please. Of course its premature, thats why I said that it "sounds" like rubbish to me, not that I know its rubbish. If I had to guess based upon what I have read concerning determinism and free will, then the idea of compatibilism sounds like rubbish."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell I have studied it and the fact is you can not be both free, in any real sense, and determined. That is a contradiction in terms. Generally the Compatibilists will define freedom as the ability to act on our desires and inclinations free from outside agency. But that our desires and inclinations are determined by antecedent conditions and biology. But if that is the case, we could call our dogs free, it is not a meaningful description of freedom."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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