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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Is Morality Objective or Relative?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLaws don't need god in order that they be objective. It is objectively true that being murdered or robbed etc. etc., etc, is not a good thing to happen to you, nor is it a good thing for society in general.Last edited by seer; 06-27-2016, 08:01 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIf the law of God is not objective to mankind then what is it?
I can believe in and understand Laws of God.Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-27-2016, 08:00 PM.
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Originally posted by HumbleThinker View PostSubjective. God is the subject giving us His law, His morality.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou referred to 'objective morality,' not the Law of God.
Ye are forbidden to commit adultery, sodomy and lechery. Avoid them, O concourse of the faithful. By the righteousness of God! Ye have been called into being to purge the world from the defilement of evil passions. This is what the Lord of all mankind hath enjoined upon you, could ye but perceive it. He who relateth himself to the All-Merciful and committeth satanic deeds, verily he is not of Me. Unto this beareth witness every atom, pebble, tree and fruit, and beyond them this ever-proclaiming, truthful and trustworthy Tongue.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut the law of God or His commands tell us how to treat our fellow man, and how to behave
- that is morality. Your religion teaches the same thing, for instance:
So your god does not permit certain behaviors, certain behaviors are evil.
That is moral in nature.Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-27-2016, 08:43 PM.
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Originally posted by HumbleThinker View PostWhat if you believed that a greater good would come about through your murder?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIn this world there is no greater good for an individual than to be alive. Besides that, dying, even at the hands of another, and being murdered against your will, are two different things.
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is silly Jim, what if killing you and taking your stuff benefits me? Like what we did to the Native Americans. It was very good for the Europeans and their society.
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Originally posted by HumbleThinker View PostI concede the latter. As for the former, some certainly think otherwise. If I may, would you happen to be inspired by objectivism? Your first statement sound like you may. I'm just curious?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo, morality as defined is a human construct.
Ok, but the Baha'i Faith, and my view of the nature of evil is different.
No, morality as defined is a human construct.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBecause in the long run killing each other does not benefit you or mankind in general. Besides if "good" isn't that which is most benificial to mankind, then what is it? Arbitrary rules?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by HumbleThinker View PostWhat if you believed that a greater good would come about through your murder?
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo it's not. You just made that up. If God says that A,B,C are wrong behaviors, and E,F,G are good behaviors then that is a God defined morality. And it doesn't matter how you define evil, it is still a moral question, and your God is still defining morality - not humans.
The problem is what is claimed as 'Morality from God' is too conflicting between belief systems, vague and poorly defined to be a real workable concept to know exactly what these morals are.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
The problem is what is claimed as 'Morality from God' is too conflicting between belief systems, vague and poorly defined to be a real workable concept to know exactly what these morals are.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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