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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Did God create logic? Or is logic further evidence of God�s existence?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe "qualifications" you are referencing are built INTO the law of non-contradiction itself, so it is in fact, absolutely true without exception. "A can not be A and Not-A at the same time and in the same sense"
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostOnly in the absolute sense beyond fallible human comprehension.
There is a distinct difference between the ultimate reality as 'absolute,' and our world is the fallible human perspective. Are you claiming like logician bones that humans can 'deduce the absolute logic?'Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postagain, your response is nonsensical.
You wanted evidence of "absolute logic" - I gave it. Your response was that is was "only in the absolute sense"
Are you an idiot, or insane?
Obective evidence please . . .
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postagain, your response is nonsensical.
You wanted evidence of "absolute logic" - I gave it. Your response was that is was "only in the absolute sense"
Are you an idiot, or insane?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou have provided no objective evidence for absolute logic, only assertions. The existence of deductive logic does not remotely support the existence of 'absolute logic' from the human perspective.
Obective evidence please . . .
bam.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAgain that is just silly. the law of non-contradiction is valid everywhere and at all times.
Of course we can deduce absolute logic - the law of non-contradiction is absolute (which you admitted above) and we understand it just fine.
No, we do not share the same understanding and your logical fallacies.Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-22-2016, 08:35 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
This assertion lies at the heart of our disagreement. No, we do not agree fallible humans cannot deduce 'absolute logic. I acknowledge the existence of absolute non-contradiction in the ultimate reality whether God exists or not. Again, your claim is a logical fallacy as previously referenced and defined.
No, we do not share the same understanding and your logical fallacies.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAgain this is pure bunk - we do clearly understand the law of non-contradiction which is universal and absolute. So you are just making stuff up again. If not tell me what we don't understand about the law?
Please respond to my post with references, and stop perpetuating logical fallacies.
What you have failed to demonstrate is 'absolute logic' from the human perspective.'Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-22-2016, 08:42 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAgain, only from the universal absolute perspective, and not the fallible human perspective. Fallible humans cannot deduce anything from the absolute perspective.
Please respond to my post with references, and stop perpetuating logical fallacies.
What you have failed to demonstrate is 'absolute logic' from the human perspective.'Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThis is silly Shuny, tell me exactly what we don't understand about the law of non-contradiction? You keep making this assertion that we can not know, but you failed to show how the law could possibly be different from what we know.
The fallible human perspective does not represent the 'absolute logic' nor 'absolute certainty.'
You, like logician bones, also have failed to provide any academic references to support your assertion of 'absolute logic.'
Still waiting . . .Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-22-2016, 09:17 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI understand the law of non-contradiction very well. Your not responding to the posts.
The fallible human perspective does not represent the 'absolute logic' nor 'absolute certainty.'
You, like logician bones, also have failed to provide any academic references to support your assertion of 'absolute logic.'
Still waiting . . .Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo you can understand the law of non-contradiction. And that law is absolute. As you said earlier. So where is the problem? And stop with the academic references nonsense, you posted a link that you did not even understand - that it actually disproved what you asserted. Where Aristotle dismantled all the arguments against not understanding the law of non-contradiction.
The claim that 'humans can deduce 'absolute logic' is an unfounded assertion.
Your bald unfounded assertions need academic references.
Still waiting . . .Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-22-2016, 09:38 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAristotle is ancient history, and most definitely not always accurate. I gave contemporary references you have provided nothing.
The claim that 'humans can deduce 'absolute logic' is an unfounded assertion.
Your bald unfounded assertions need academic references.
Still waiting . . .Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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