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Did God create logic? Or is logic further evidence of God�s existence?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDoes that mean God is contingent on Existence? After all without existence, God would not exist.
You're jumping back and forth between eternity and the temporal and with little or no distinction.
But go ahead and tell me about existence with no space, no time, and no physicality....
I'll bet you $150.00 Jorge dollars you cannot express existence without those things.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostIf something doesn't have substance within time/space we say that it doesn't exist.
You're jumping back and forth between eternity and the temporal and with little or no distinction.
But go ahead and tell me about existence with no space, no time, and no physicality....
I'll bet you $150.00 Jorge dollars you cannot express existence without those things.
although according to your definition of existence, God didn't exist until he created time and space. and I suppose "love" doesn't exist either. or math.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostGod.
although according to your definition of existence, God didn't exist until he created time and space. and I suppose "love" doesn't exist either. or math.
The same holds true for any concept we have of math.
Postulating beyond our context into truths that exist outside space/time is ridiculous, IMHO.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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God is the uncaused existence - His Hebrew Name can be translated - Self-Existent.
Space-Time and matter are created existence. The Uncause-Cause of all created and eternal other uncreated things, such as logic and math are do to God's uncreated Logos (John 1:1-3, 10).Last edited by 37818; 05-31-2016, 08:39 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostGod is the uncaused existence - His Hebrew Name can be translated - Self-Existent.
Space-Time and matter are created existence. The Uncause-Cause of all created and eternal other uncreated things, such as logic and math are do to God's uncreated Logos (John 1:1-3, 10).
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDid math exist before god created. If so, to what did it apply?
If there was no time, how could there be a "before" God created?
But let's ignore that for a minute (see what I did there?)
before God created, there was still God. Let me ask how many Gods were there? ...One.
oops. That's math.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostGod is a failed hypothesis; there is no evidence for the existence of a deity and while not impossible it's improbable. It's a pre-scientific notion which attempts to explain what is otherwise inexplicable. Science does it better.Last edited by 37818; 06-01-2016, 08:01 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postmath isn't a "thing" - it's a way to describe numerical relationships.
If there was no time, how could there be a "before" God created?
But let's ignore that for a minute (see what I did there?)
before God created, there was still God. Let me ask how many Gods were there? ...One.
oops. That's math.
How many Gods? One.
With no time there would be no sequence like that.
And that would be just one of the problems with your answer.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostGod is the uncaused existence - His Hebrew Name can be translated - Self-Existent.
Space-Time and matter are created existence. The Uncause-Cause of all created and eternal other uncreated things, such as logic and math are do to God's uncreated Logos (John 1:1-3, 10).
Is "honesty" a thing, or a a word, a concept to describe some characteristic? Did God create honesty, or is he merely honest? It is something that describes an attribute of God. God didn't create honesty. He didn't one day say, "Ya know, I think I need to be truthful, so I will first make this thing called truth, and then I will create this other thing called honesty, and then I will be it."
No. And neither did he create logic, or math. They are just concepts we use to describe reality. Since God is real, we can use them to describe him too. He didn't create them, they don't even exist as "things" - just like using math we can say that God is one. And always has been. It doesn't mean God created the concept of one. It just is. We discovered the concept, but it always has been there, and has always applied to God, even before the first man figured out how to count.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postthey are not things that are created. They are merely concepts to explain reality as it is.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Christianbookworm and Chrawnus,
If you don't stop peppering Sparko's inane posts with Amens I'm going to hunt both of you down and pull your panties up over your heads.
Meh GerbilActually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostIf reality doesn't exist (as we understand it) then the concepts used to describe that reality (as we understand it) would not exist either.
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostChristianbookworm and Chrawnus,
If you don't stop peppering Sparko's inane posts with Amens I'm going to hunt both of you down and pull your panties up over your heads.
Meh GerbilIf it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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