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Did God create logic? Or is logic further evidence of God�s existence?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut even without creating anything God is still logical and "bound" by logic. He still existed, was rational, and like I said, could not exist and not exist at the same 'time' in the same way. That is the basic law of non-contradiction. It is logic. That doesn't even depend on "time" as we know it. God existed. He could not be nonexistent, whether there was time and space or not. There was also only ONE God. Math is logical. God didn't create that either. It just is.
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1: I'm trying to get Sparko to punch his monitor.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut even without creating anything God is still logical and "bound" by logic. He still existed, was rational, and like I said, could not exist and not exist at the same 'time' in the same way. That is the basic law of non-contradiction. It is logic. That doesn't even depend on "time" as we know it. God existed. He could not be nonexistent, whether there was time and space or not. There was also only ONE God. Math is logical. God didn't create that either. It just is.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostToo bad we can't ask Jesus in person! Would Jesus ever actually facepalm?Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostI doubt he reads Sparko's posts.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostYou doubt that God knows everything that's on the internet? Even the disgusting parts. And Jesus still wants us to spend eternity with Him. Wow!Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostI find Sparko's posts confusing but I don't know if I'd refer to them as 'disgusting'.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostShunyadragon, is that you? (1)
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1: I'm trying to get Sparko to punch his monitor.
let me put it this way. Logic would not exist without God, because without God there would literally be nothing. Yet God did not "create" logic. Logic is dependent on God, as is everything, but it is merely a description of how things are, not something to be created. Like existence itself. Existence would not "exist" without God, but God didn't create "existence" -- he just existed. While he made us exist, "existence" itself isn't a thing to be made, it is a description of reality, the way things ARE. It is a concept. So is logic.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post...but it is merely a description of how things are, not something to be created......it is a description of reality, the way things ARE. It is a concept. So is logic.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostIf there is nothing to describe then there is no description.
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ETA: Sorry, forgot to sign in with my Trout sock puppet account.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostIf there is nothing to describe then there is no description.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postas I said it describes reality itself. it is a way to reason out truth. it is a concept, a method. like math is. math isnt a thing, it is a method of discovering the reality of numerical relationships. the numerical relationships existed whether anyone knows about them or not. 1-1=0 is true whether we know it or not, and God didn't have to "create" that. it is just a truth. a fact. it cant be any other way. 1-1=20 is not possible. it is just nonsense.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postand since truth is a fundamental property of God, it was not created by God. it is uncreated. thus Logic is uncreated.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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