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Why is the Trinity an essential to there even being a God?
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Well you said liberal... not much to be expected there.Bible Questions on The Theology QA.
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you Matthew" 7:7
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Originally posted by flowers92 View PostWell you said liberal... not much to be expected there.
Actually I find Jews happier, better adjusted, and more comfortable with believers of other religions like mine, the Baha'i Faith, than in Christianity. My preference for the more liberal Jewish Synagogue is the light side of Judaism is more friendlier. There is more there and in both that your apparently missing.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostI am of the persuasion that the Christian Trinity explanation is essential to there even being a God. The foundation to accept this is generally denied. The argument can be proposed that if the Trinity is not true that there could not even be a God.For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by The Remonstrant View PostI do not believe that any trinitarian understanding of God could be arrived at apart from special or supernatural revelation. In other words, a trinitarian understanding of God cannot be arrived at by general or natural revelation alone. Based on Romans 1, the oneness of God may be known by creation and apart from supernatural revelation. However, knowledge of the unique relationship between the persons of the Trinity occurs in the context of the unfolding redemptive narrative of Scripture; it must be gained by supernatural revelation.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostI am of the persuasion that the Christian Trinity explanation is essential to there even being a God. The foundation to accept this is generally denied. The argument can be proposed that if the Trinity is not true that there could not even be a God.
The Father Loves the Son
The Son Loves the Father
Both of Those Who are Love & and are Beloved, are Infinite Divine Persons.
And the Love Between Them, the Holy Spirit, is an Infinite Divine Person.
The Shema in Deuteronomy 6.5 - which Jesus made the first and greatest commandment - is as follows: "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." It seems extremely safe to infer that what is commended of men, is what is happening in God, eternally. It is what Jesus did while on earth, perfectly & unceasingly. It is what He does now- therefore, since there is not the least difference in purpose between Him & His Father, it is what the Father does; because "Like Father, like Son" is perfectly verified here: "He who has seen Me, has see the Father". The moral Identity between Them is Perfect, and Infinite. Likewise for the Holy Spirit, Who is the Author & Spirit of Love.
So if the question is "Why is God Tri-Une ?", one answer might be that this is unanswerable, and a second might be, "Because God is Love".
The Love of the Divine Persons for the Divine Persons cannot be less than the love in creatures. But if it is as excellent and wonderful as it must be - since it is Eternal, Limitless, Unfailing, Universal, Holy, & Divine - then the Giver, the Gift & the Recipient must be co-equally & co-eternally God. Only God can give this Love Infintely; only God can receive such Love Infinitely; only God can be this Infinite Love.
The Most Holy Trinity, because it is the supreme Mystery of the Christian Faith, cannot be proved by reason; words about It, are words, not It. It can be known to be Real only through Divine Revelation; though there are many hints and shadows of it in creation and history - "God has not left Himself without a witness" even in regard to this. That it is utterly mysterious, is a reminder that to know it is entirely and in all respects wholly gratuitous - to know it, depends entirely on the free and sovereign initiative of God; in no way is knowledge of the Most Holy Trinity owed to human nature, or to any creature whatever. Although such knowledge is not owed to human nature, this knowledge is not a violation of human nature, but is in accord with it. The proof of this is that Our Lord had a flawless human nature, and yet His entire Life, even on earth, was Trinitarian; as His Baptism shows.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostI am of the persuasion that the Christian Trinity explanation is essential to there even being a God. The foundation to accept this is generally denied. The argument can be proposed that if the Trinity is not true that there could not even be a God.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
I do not agree biblically.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostI am of the persuasion that the Christian Trinity explanation is essential to there even being a God. The foundation to accept this is generally denied. The argument can be proposed that if the Trinity is not true that there could not even be a God."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
I do not agree biblically. Jesus did not preach it and denied it as well. For example, Jesus said in Rev 3:21 "I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne" showing that if Jesus were to be God, there would be two gods; the Father and Jesus, which is impossible.
You have a number of things you do not understand.
God is only one God in the Trinity.
The man Jesus and God the Father are not the same persons.
First, one needs to understand who God is. *
Second, one needs to hear that there was finite and temppral means the Eternal God being the Creator used.
Third, that the Persons who are the three distinct Persons are not distinct in being the Uncaused God the Singular Uncaused REALITY. *
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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