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Originally posted by JohnnyP View PostYeah I guess that's anther thing that makes me uncomfortable about it, there's no ultimate truth about what you're experiencing, it's all pretend.
Enlightenment comes from acceptance: all is illusory and meaningless. Embrace this truth, and you shall transcend everything.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostSuffering results from clinging on to the illusion.
Enlightenment comes from acceptance: all is illusory and meaningless. Embrace this truth, and you shall transcend everything.
It's probably more practical to focus on ridding ourselves of unhealthy desires that cause us to chase after illusions, and to accept the reality we do have. For example if most people think being hungry is just an illusion and they try to starve themselves, they're probably going to end up with some unnecessary suffering. Buddha accepted that reality, ate, and got Enlightened.
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Originally posted by JohnnyP View PostI was being serious, mostly, critiques were requested. Where, "He pretends that he is you and I and all the people in the world, all the animals, plants, all the rocks, and all the stars." If what you believe is actually a god pretending to believe something because he's pretending to be you, how would you ever know what you really believe?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Kelp(p) View PostThe difference though, is that Jesus remains a man at the same time as He is inhabited by God and most Christians would say he is still is a godman eternally.
As I understand it, Hinduism and Buddhism don't allow that. Rama was not always aware that he was an avatar of Vishnu. It had to be revealed to him by Indra. When Rama died, Vishnu ceased to be Rama. Vishnu would latter be born as Krishna.
Hinduism is much too diverse and therefore difficult to discuss....but in some Hinduism, Atman (soul) is Brahman(God) therefore it (soul) is eternal...so,.... all human beings are (potential) "godmen"........
Some Hinduism differentiates between Atman (soul) and Prana (life-force), others don't.....
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Originally posted by siam View PostI agree that though religions may appear to be similar in their generalities...they differ in their details and nuances......
Hinduism is much too diverse and therefore difficult to discuss....but in some Hinduism, Atman (soul) is Brahman(God) therefore it (soul) is eternal...so,.... all human beings are (potential) "godmen"........
Some Hinduism differentiates between Atman (soul) and Prana (life-force), others don't.....O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by Kelp(p) View PostTo me it sounds depressing. I don't know if I'll ever understand the Hindu and Buddhist hatred of differentiation and duality. Getting rid of suffering by giving up one's independent existence seems like curing a migraine by shooting oneself in the head.
It also sounds extremely lonely. I don't know about you, but I don't want us to be the same person. If we're the same person then we can't be friends.
I have been a fan of Allan Watts since the 1960's, I will comment more on Allan Watts.
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Originally posted by siam View PostThis Alan Watts seems to be a really bad communicator......if what he is trying to explain are the (original) concepts of Atman/Avatar (Hinduism) and Tathagatagarba (Buddhism).
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Allan does not follow a literal linear logical line of reasoning, and sometime he does not mean what he says.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostCurious, I have studied Hinduism and Buddhism for many years, and never found them to hate anything.
I have been a fan of Allan Watts since the 1960's, I will comment more on Allan Watts.
Note: I'm not saying contentment and fulfillment is a bad thing. It's something I try to practice myself.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostCurious, I have studied Hinduism and Buddhism for many years, and never found them to hate anything.
I have been a fan of Allan Watts since the 1960's, I will comment more on Allan Watts.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostCareful with trying interpret Allan Watts specifically, because in a parts of his writing he ranges to very not serious, to sarcastic and ironic in an effort to get people to think and does not follow the deep warn grove of the many possible choices some call their 'One true path.'
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Allan does not follow a literal linear logical line of reasoning, and sometime he does not mean what he says.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostExplain Hindu and Buddhist violence in the world. You speak only theoretically. You ignore what is going on in the world.
An added note is that much of the conflict and violence in Africa and the Middle East can be traced back to colonialism, and the artificial colonial divisions of boundaries that became boundaries of countries, mixing and dividing different religious and ethnic groups for manipulation, divide, conquer and control resources.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI am not sure of the connection you are looking for here equating conflict and violence in history related to the statement ', . . the Hindu and Buddhist hatred of differentiation and duality.'
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostCurious, I have studied Hinduism and Buddhism for many years, and never found them to hate anything.
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Originally posted by siam View Post"One true path"?---In a time of Global identity crises, and changing national circumstances....an exclusivity in Eastern religious traditions may be prominent....but, IMO, traditionally Eastern "religions" have been more elastic.....In that sense, the saying of the Rig Veda---"Truth is One, the wise call it by many names" may represent the traditional (elastic) world-view of Eastern "religions".....and certainly, the diversity of Hinduism.......?.......
In addressing the above statement, the problem addressed by Allan Watts, which I agree, remains that clinging to ancient world paradigms at the exclusion of others remains a problem in both the east and the west as is commonly addressed in the theme of Allan Watts writings. This does directly translate to much of the nationalism, conflict and violence in both the east and west.Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-14-2014, 10:19 AM.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostHe isn't. He's connecting it to your statement,Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-14-2014, 03:51 PM.
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