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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI'm admittedly young and inexperienced with my mere 27 years, but if life has taught me anything it's that "Morally debased and corrupt" is a much more accurate description of human beings in general than "imperfect", or even "deeply flawed". Pretty much everyone does things almost entirely out of self-serving reasons, even when the act itself would be considered "good", or "selfless" from a moral perspective.Originally posted by Adrift View PostYet the Bible teaches that even unbelievers have the law written in their hearts, and that their consciousness occasionally bear witness to that fact. So while sin does have corrupting influence, there is still something there. As Ben Witherington puts it, "So Paul assumes that sometimes some Gentiles fulfill some of the requirements of the Law, just as Jews do. This does not mean they always do so, or do so perfectly, for Paul will go on to call all sinners. It does mean that there is some obedience to the will or Law of God among those who are not Christians, with Gentiles in focus here." - Paul's Letter to the Romans: A Socio-Rhetorical Commentary
Similarly, as children of the devil vary in their moral corruption and likeness to the spiritual father whom they emulate (wittingly or unwittingly), the tendency of evil to advance collectively and individually may be labelled progressive degeneration or progressive depravityFor Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
And with that - I'll sign off from this discussion. It has essentially become a string of ad homs with no content - so I see no purpose in continuing. Frankly, this time I won't be reading subsequent posts either. So have at it.
Just stop it.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI actually think it's much more interesting to watch you tell him what he really meant.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWill you PLEASE stop doing that? Adrift is right. This is just an idiotic debate tactic to pretend to take the "high road" and act like you are the better person for walking away, when in fact it is because you don't have an actual rebuttal, and think by saying this you can end the discussion. Yet when people do take the "last word" you immediately jump right back into the fray.
Just stop it.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostBartender? Times two, please.
ETA: Fourth time through, it finally parsed.
I will not post what I was going to.
You said what I was trying to say with more grace than I was going to.
Thank you.
The original was far more amusing.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postdid that pages ago when he promised he was leaving then...
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post520447The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post...and now he went and started ANOTHER thread on banning guns!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by The Remonstrant View Postprogressive sanctification in Protestant/evangelical spheres.
Similarly, as children of the devil vary in their moral corruption and likeness to the spiritual father whom they emulate (wittingly or unwittingly), the tendency of evil to advance collectively and individually may be labelled progressive degeneration or progressive depravity
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd perhaps the fact that some people are what we consider to be morally better than others has nothing to do with [C]hrist or religion at all.
The most sanctified persons have been changed by the grace of God. They recognise their great need for a redeemer. Those who are consciously rejecting Jesus Christ and his claim as Lord and Saviour will be left to stand without a mediator between them and God on Judgement Day. The criterion for a positive outcome is a lifetime of flawless obedience to the law of God. How do you believe that you will fare? The standard for morality is set by God, not humankind. Your only hope is that the God you currently reject does not exist. I hope better things for you.
* See Proverbs 3.34 LXX; James 4.6; 1 Peter 5.5.For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by The Remonstrant View PostChristians and non-Christians alike can fail to assess themselves accurately and have an inaccurate, inflated opinion of their actual moral condition. Self-righteousness is a common manifestation of pride. As gross of a sin as it is, even saints are not exempt from falling into this snare. Scripture unambiguously declares that God resists proud persons but grants grace to those who are humble.*
The most sanctified persons have been changed by the grace of God. They recognise their great need for a redeemer. Those who are consciously rejecting Jesus Christ and his claim as Lord and Saviour will be left to stand without a mediator between them and God on Judgement Day. The criterion for a positive outcome is a lifetime of flawless obedience to the law of God. How do you believe that you will fare? The standard for morality is set by God, not humankind. Your only hope is that the God you currently reject does not exist. I hope better things for you.
* See Proverbs 3.34 LXX; James 4.6; 1 Peter 5.5.
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