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Originally posted by Starlight View PostBoth. He thought that God would keep reincarnating people through immeasurable ages and universes, until every soul was fully morally transformed and universal perfection had been achieved. It's in De Principiis I think. I'll have to dig up my notes i took when reading it when I get home and find the passage for you.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostLike Starlight, they choose for themselves."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere is no point in worshiping an evil god, excepting cowardice. If you want to worship a god, at least create a good one."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostWhat do you all think about the Mormon version of an afterlife? I'm no Mormon, but in that version you're also judged for your actions, but there's no hell. Heaven vs. hell is more the difference between going to a decently nice place and being god of your own planet. It allows a god who doesn't cause eternal suffering as well as the moral imperative to act responsibly here on Earth.
Although I think mormons do believe those who are really bad, like murderers and hitler and such just get destroyed.
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostMM, I am well aware that most Christians take a theological position that God's standard of judgement is extremely strict - i.e. what I would describe as OCD and pathologically unreasonable and such that if a human judge were to give those sorts of judgments to criminals in our justice system we would immediately find serious fault with him and want him replaced. Again, I find that to be yet another reason for condemning your imagined God and you for worshiping him. A God with such insane and unreasonable standards does not meet my standards and fails abysmally in my judgement of him.
And, to comment on your quote, most suffering is indeed "God's fault" in the sense that naturally occurring suffering like pain, disease, illnesses, natural disasters etc cause more suffering than negative human actions like anger / greed / lies.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostOriginally posted by 37818 View PostOK, then who are resurrected in the judgement from the sea and death (Revelation 20:13)?
". . . the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: . . ."
Cambridge Bible Commentary
Death gave up all the bodies of men, and hades their souls, to be united to their bodies. All, whether buried (death) or unburied (in the sea), are raised and judged.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostLike Starlight, they choose for themselves.Last edited by Mountain Man; 09-29-2017, 08:19 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostBut that interpretation is reading into the text. The dead are being resurrected explicitly from those three places in that text (Revelation 20:13). That text stands uniquely alone in its context (11-15).That's what
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostIt's a high context apocalyptic text. The readers would understand that those "buried at sea" were not considered actually buried. See here. Those in death were. Bodies were not in hades, so we have to look further into why "death and hades" are linked. Death is thought to claim the material portion of a person and Hades the immaterial portion. Dying on land and dying at sea were usually seen as different things, see the Didascalia Apostolorum for example.Last edited by 37818; 09-29-2017, 11:08 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI find it ironic that they claim he spurred the sexual revolution, yet what he did was sexually exploit young women and turn them into objects and literal play things. So much for sexual equality.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou mean like creating one that could care less if you were a psychopathic murderer, but will instead give you reset after reset until you finally get it right?Find my speling strange? I'm trying this out: Simplified Speling. Feel free to join me.
"Nature has placed mankind under the governance of two sovereign masters, pain and pleasure. It is for them alone to point out what we ought to do, as well as to determine what we shall do."-Jeremy Bentham
"We question all our beliefs, except for the ones that we really believe in, and those we never think to question."-Orson Scott Card
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostIf Hitler accepted Jesus right before he committed suicide, would he have gone to heaven?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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