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Hugh Hefner is now in hell
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"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostOne of your kids is an irredeemable psychopath who threatens the lives and safety of other children. What does "loving parent" do?If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postlol you are a complete nobody
One of your kids is an irredeemable psychopath who threatens the lives and safety of other children. What does "loving parent" do?
Your statement that the kid is 'irredeemable' is not something any human parent is capable of knowing. Obviously any omniscient and omnipotent God who was capable of knowing the person was literally irredeemable would be capable of solutions that human parents wouldn't - e.g. putting the kid into a virtual world where the kid could happily (for the kid) interact with the people and the environment in that world without actually harming anyone because the others in the world weren't actually real, might be one possible solution. An all-powerful God would be capable of shaping a particular universe perfectly suited for any particular person.Last edited by Starlight; 09-28-2017, 08:02 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI disagree with the tack that God doesn't send people to hell. Matthew 7:21 teaches that some will desire to go to heaven but be denied.
Incidentally, Hugh Hefner still has not faced the final judgment.
Then read 25:10, in context. Then read Matthew 25:11, Luke 6:46, and Romans 2:13, don't forget, in context.
And then read Hebrews 9:27.
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostTry starting at v. 20 and continuing to get the context.
Then read 25:10, in context. Then read Matthew 25:11, Luke 6:46, and Romans 2:13, don't forget, in context.
And then read Hebrews 9:27."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI understand the general context but I don't see how these other verses contradict the notion that God sends people to hell.
Like Starlight, they choose for themselves.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostAttempt to come to a solution that maximally preserves the well-being of the child and other children. That means making sure life isn't 'hell' for any of the kids involved.
Your statement that the kid is 'irredeemable' is not something any human parent is capable of knowing. Obviously any omniscient and omnipotent God who was capable of knowing the person was literally irredeemable would be capable of solutions that human parents wouldn't - e.g. putting the kid into a virtual world where the kid could happily (for the kid) interact with the people and the environment in that world without actually harming anyone because the others in the world weren't actually real, might be one possible solution. An all-powerful God would be capable of shaping a particular universe perfectly suited for any particular person."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostOne of your kids is an irredeemable psychopath who threatens the lives and safety of other children. What does "loving parent" do?
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere is no point in worshiping an evil god, excepting cowardice.
If you want to worship a god, at least create a good one."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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What do you all think about the Mormon version of an afterlife? I'm no Mormon, but in that version you're also judged for your actions, but there's no hell. Heaven vs. hell is more the difference between going to a decently nice place and being god of your own planet. It allows a god who doesn't cause eternal suffering as well as the moral imperative to act responsibly here on Earth.Find my speling strange? I'm trying this out: Simplified Speling. Feel free to join me.
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostWhat do you all think about the Mormon version of an afterlife? I'm no Mormon, but in that version you're also judged for your actions, but there's no hell. Heaven vs. hell is more the difference between going to a decently nice place and being god of your own planet. It allows a god who doesn't cause eternal suffering as well as the moral imperative to act responsibly here on Earth."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe Eastern Orthodox view of hell paints God in a much better light, certainly. I agree with many of the observations that this EO theologian makes about how nastily the Western version of hell portrays God.
Although the EO version of hell can still be tweaked to be better, IMO, with the addition of Origen's reincarnation theory for example. Because, if hell is worse than this life for some people, and the loving God knows and understands that, then he would obviously want to respond by continuing this life for them rather than inflicting hell on them.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostOrigen's theory was not reincarnation, but apokatastasis. Hell was for those who had fallen farthest from glory; eventually, it would burn up their faults and even satan would return to glory eventually. So bad people would still go to hell after death; they just wouldn't stay there."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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