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Last edited by JimL; 10-18-2017, 03:01 PM.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostUnfortunately, I think you're both right. It's likely he has comprehension issues, and is also being purposely cantankerous.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAfter his last misconstrual of what you said, I think you should agree that he is doing it on purpose. Much easier to burn straw than actually have to debate.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSparko, you never answered my question because you are either too dumb to understand it, or you are just a dishonest person. I don't think you're dumb. Adrift, understood what I was asking and, though i didn't care for his answer, he answered accordingly. So, are you just dumb, or are you dishonest?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd the spin goes on. So, your argument now is that everybody, all around the world, from time immemorial, so long as they believe or believed in the existence of a god, no matter who that god they believe in is, then they can be saved, but that it is only those who by their own reasoning come to the conclusion that the world is uncreated and natural, who for that reason go to hell. And infants and retarded people, I guess there's a different category for them, they all get saved I suppose due to their complete ignorance on the matter, or do they get to go to hell as well?I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIgnoring what people say and repeating himself? No effort at all.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd the spin goes on. So, your argument now is that everybody, all around the world, from time immemorial, so long as they believe or believed in the existence of a god, no matter who that god they believe in is, then they can be saved, but that it is only those who by their own reasoning come to the conclusion that the world is uncreated and natural, who for that reason go to hell. And infants and retarded people, I guess there's a different category for them, they all get saved I suppose due to their complete ignorance on the matter, or do they get to go to hell as well?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou forgot this:
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI don't know how you got all of that out of the very few posts I've written. I've certainly not argued any of that since 1.) I'm not making an argument, nor 2.) would it be my argument since all I'm doing is repeating someone else's view of the subject. Furthermore, 3.) I've already told you that I lean closer to Craig's Molinist view. I've offered you as much of a summary on the subject as I'm willing to get into. If you're sincerely interested in this topic (I know you're not), you can read some detailed essays by people who actually hold the views in Four Views on Salvation in a Pluralistic World. Specifically check out Alister McGrath's softer take on Inclusivism, and Clark Pinnock's harder take on it.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, let me be sure I've got this straight, is it your contention that belief in Jesus is not a requirement of salvation?
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAgain, from your view. What we call reason and science is contingent upon God. And your view is not allowing you to comprehend that.
Here is a fact for you. You do have an idea of God. The God or gods you do not believe in.
Now my God is the Uncaused Existence. (Whose Name in Hebrew has been understood to mean the self-Existent. Proverbs 21:30. )
The universe even being defined as everything - would only be contingent in that Uncaused Existence. Uncaused Existence would be a key part of what makes up the universe - the universe being everything - but it, the universe being everything, would not be God, would only include God.
Now my guess is your idea of God is not the uncaused existence.Last edited by Tassman; 10-19-2017, 12:12 AM.
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