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On Neil Degrasse's "Cosmos" Remake
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Originally posted by TimelessTheist View PostNo, actually, they answered him with logic and evidence, multiple times, and he refused to accept it, multiple times. 'Then' they responded to his dishonesty by burning him at the stake.
Heliocentric is correct. His theory of it, however, wasn't, and was well-refuted at that time. Aristotle was the main source of arguments against heliocentric theory, arguments that both, Bruno and Galileo, failed to respond to.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostYou're a sick and twisted dude, TT. Justsayin'
I'm not sure how to break this to you gently, but you do realize Aristotle was wrong, don't you?
Likewise, why should I waste my time talking about Affirmative Action Black Science Man when I can go straight to the source?
Carl Sagan was the country's leading practitioner of the mythologization of science, transforming a process into a philosophy, substituting political agendas for inquiry and arrogance for research. Sagan was often wrong, but it didn't matter because his errors were scientific, rather than ideological or theological. He could be wrong as many times as he wanted, as long as he wasn't wrong politically..
Science has been thoroughly Saganized. The vast majority of research papers are wrong, their results cannot be replicated. The researchers writing them often don't even understand what they're doing wrong and don't care. Research is increasingly indistinguishable from politics. Studies are framed in ways that prove a political premise, whether it's that the world will end without a carbon tax or that racism causes obesity. If they prove the premise, the research is useful to the progressive non-profits and politicians who always claim to have science in their corner. If it doesn't, then it isn't funded.
"Science" has been reduced to an absolute form of authority that is always correct. The Saganists envision science as a battle between superstition and truth, but what distinguished science from superstition was the ability to throw out wrong conclusions based on testing. Without the scientific method, science is just another philosophy where anything can be proven if you manipulate the terminology so that the target is drawn around the arrow. Add statistical games and nothing means anything.
This form of science measures itself not against the universe, but against the intellectual bubble inhabited by those who share the same worldview or those who live under their control. It's not a bold exploration of the cosmos, but a timid repetition of cliches. The debates are as microscopic as this miniature pocket universe. Discoveries are accidental and often misinterpreted to fit within dogma. Progress is not defined not by the transcendence of what is known, but by its blinkered reaffirmation.
This isn't science or even scientism because it has little basis in the scientific method. Like all progressive authority, it now derives its credentials from membership in an expert class and advocacy on behalf of a victim class.
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You're a sick and twisted dude, TT. Justsayin'
I'm not sure how to break this to you gently, but you do realize Aristotle was wrong, don't you?Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
-Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostThere's a good deal of nit-picking here, all of which, from what I've seen, is coming from axe-grinders with little interest in applying the same standard of accuracy to themselves.
Just f'rinstance ...
Copernicus, d. 1543
Thomas Digges, d. 1595Originally posted by lao tzu View PostNicholas of Cusa, d. 1464
Originally posted by lao tzu View PostBanned books! Defending the banning of books by religious authorities. Let me know how that works out for you.
For the rest of us, about the only thing more repugnant than the intellectual vice-grips historically wielded by religious authorities and their banned book lists are the modern day apologists for same.
Copernicus intended to publish post-mortem, because he knew the reaction he'd receive. His publisher inserted prefatory material cushioning the text, unsuccessfully; it was the banned book list for him, too.
My point was that reading Lucretius' De rerum naturaDe Revolutionibusnothing whatsoever to do with Bruno and Tyson's assertion that reading a banned book was "his undoing."
Originally posted by lao tzu View PostHis political appointment was a steady job until it stopped being a steady job when the politics changed, as they always do. He had no problem getting one of these "steady" jobs, which he kept losing after a year or two.
Originally posted by lao tzu View PostWas he fired, or did he quit? Did he leave voluntarily, or was he coerced by the religious authorities? Kicked out, or ran off, it reads the same. There's little point in distinguishing between theological and scientific truth claims in an age where all truth claims were theological.
Originally posted by lao tzu View PostGood catch on the timeline issue.
Originally posted by lao tzu View PostYou're talking about the trial of Galileo, prosecuted by the same Bellarmine who ordered Bruno burned at the stake. There is little doubt Galileo would have received the same punishment.
Originally posted by lao tzu View PostThat's just warped. The secular courts performed the executions, but that's no absolution for the religious courts that handed them over to be executed.
Does that absolve them of their behavior or did I say that it did? Perhaps I should bolden, underline and change the color of statements like "And again not to excuse the brutality that they inflicted" as well as "But again I reiterate, killing people who disagree with us is indefensible" so you don't miss them.
Originally posted by lao tzu View PostNot silly at all. Bruno offered to recant his purely religious heresies, saving out only the plurality of worlds, but was denied, and in consequence, recanted none.Last edited by rogue06; 03-24-2014, 07:43 PM.
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There's comedy in this vigorous criticism of the Cosmos cartoon, while JP Holding is given no tongue lashing for his foolish cartoons.
At worst, Tyson misrepresented a church that threated torture, executed people, and granted special dispensation. At worst, JP Holding makes cartoons that deceive people into thinking those are good apologetics.
Have you ever seen Mountain Man link to a Holding cartoon? I have. It's not pretty.
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Originally posted by whag View PostThere's comedy in this vigorous criticism of the Cosmos cartoon, while JP Holding is given no tongue lashing for his foolish cartoons.
At worst, Tyson misrepresented a church that threated torture, executed people, and granted special dispensation. At worst, JP Holding makes cartoons that deceive people into thinking those are good apologetics.
Have you ever seen Mountain Man link to a Holding cartoon? I have. It's not pretty.Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
-Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMore name calling for one who sincerely believes that the Inquisition is justified.Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
-Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNot platitudes, just citable and documentable facts. You said it on this thread!Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
-Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNot outrage at all, just the facts.Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
-Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor
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