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Originally posted by whag View PostCan you reject out of hand the possibility that Satan possesses children or plants fake memories in their heads?
Because Adam transfered land rights to Satan, every human being is under his dominion. I thought that was the traditional belief regarding why demons have free access to human beings and their minds.
In the case of the children with uncanny memories of past identity, they weren't worshipping Satan. These are much harder cases than the lawyer.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostI don't understand this question when you've already provided one. Making things up to get attention is viable.
So is some sort of hypnotism stuff similar to what Jed keeps referencing.
Demonic possession is as much a non-starter as reincarnation is, even within a Christian perspective where demons exist and influence. Demons are a nice ad hoc explanation with no real substance behind the claim except 'could be'.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostOf course they weren't worshipping Satan. The church has long held that worshiping false gods or messing around with the occult leaves one open to demonic influence. Satan and his demons do not operate by showing themselves for what they are; they use deception to gain influence.
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"God gave dominion over the earth to mankind, but Adam gave up this dominion through disobedience. The one who deceived Adam inherited his dominion, and became (as we find in the New Testament) 'the ruler of this world', 'the prince of the power of the air', and "the god of this age.'"
How is that much different than what I originally said? Land rights is a metaphor for the earth. Satan has dominion over the earth and can do whatever he wants with its inhabitants.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe ability of Christians to exorcise demons was so far (and so obviously) beyond that of pagans that it was used as an apologetic for Christianity in the early centuries of the church.
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Originally posted by whag View PostThe kids weren't messing around with the occult. In any case, do demons have the right to plant reincarnation thoughts in their heads?
Not sure why that's confusing. That concept is summarized here by Adrift:
"God gave dominion over the earth to mankind, but Adam gave up this dominion through disobedience. The one who deceived Adam inherited his dominion, and became (as we find in the New Testament) 'the ruler of this world', 'the prince of the power of the air', and "the god of this age.'"
How is that much different than what I originally said? Land rights is a metaphor for the earth. Satan has dominion over the earth and can do whatever he wants with its inhabitants.
I'm not aware of demonic possession being so prevalent during the establishment of the early church.
Why would the problem dissipate after the first few centuries? The level of possession should increase commensurate with the increase in the worship of false gods, which Christians believe is at an all-time high today.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYes, but it does not explain every case.
Making things up would not explain that.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYour opinion is duly noted. I so appreciate skeptics telling me what I can viably believe within my worldview. The ability of Christians to exorcise demons was so far (and so obviously) beyond that of pagans that it was used as an apologetic for Christianity in the early centuries of the church.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostI didn't say 'demons' wasn't viable, only ad hoc. As in they make a useful scapegoat for general weirdness or bad behavior when no other answer is readily apparent. Sure, demons could be doing it. We have zero reason to suggest they are, though (which holds for the vast majority of cases when they're invoked).Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]18050[/ATTACH]Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostWow, zombie thread.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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