Are we failures because we sin?

[bling]

[alaskazimm]

As for you your last question, take a look at Isaiah 5:1-4 and the song of the vineyard.

Scripture Verse: Isaiah 5:3-4

And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah,
Judge, please, between Me and My vineyard.
What more could have been done to My vineyard
That I have not done in it?
Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes,
Did it bring forth wild grapes?

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[whag]

You're starting from the unnecessary assumption that God created two human beings who failed in the first generation. With that perspective it sure looks like a set up and doomed to fail. Theologians have considered the problems of that literal view and proposed alternatives that lessen the emphasis on the fall as the triggering event of the incarnation. Consider that maybe Jesus planned to incarnate all along rather than in response to a suspiciously mythological sounding event as the fall.

What's the likelihood that human beings could ever remain perfect if the Bible says they failed from the get go? That doesn't bode well for the soundness of the plan. That's why you have permission to not view it literally.

[shunyadragon]

This problem only exists in the ancient world view assumptions of the view of traditional Christianity concerning the Biblical text of Genesis and the NT interpretation of this text. The reality is that humanity is distinctly naturally fallible human, and by the evidence humanity has had the same basic nature since humanity has been human hundreds of thousands if not over a million years ago.

whag's post gave a good explanation that this ancient world view is in contradiction of everything we know concerning the nature of being human today

[bling]

You're starting from the unnecessary assumption that God created two human beings who failed in the first generation. With that perspective it sure looks like a set up and doomed to fail. Theologians have considered the problems of that literal view and proposed alternatives that lessen the emphasis on the fall as the triggering event of the incarnation. Consider that maybe Jesus planned to incarnate all along rather than in response to a suspiciously mythological sounding event as the fall.

What's the likelihood that human beings could ever remain perfect if the Bible says they failed from the get go? That doesn't bode well for the soundness of the plan. That's why you have permission to not view it literally.

[whag]

For the most part you do not have to believe Adam and Eve were literal people to understand what is being taught.

For the most part?

I'm not sure why you're asking this. The biblical answer very clearly is you are a winner if you believe, despite the fact that you sin.

The biblical answer is clear. Believers are succeeders. Why are you asking these questions?

[bling]

For the most part?

You would have to believe in a literal Adam and Eve to support the concept of the New Testament writers being inspired to write about Adam and Eve as being literal the first people.

I'm not sure why you're asking this. The biblical answer very clearly is you are a winner if you believe, despite the fact that you sin.



The biblical answer is clear. Believers are succeeders. Why are you asking these questions?

[whag]

The type of love that doesn't forgive Mormons for being enculturated differently, you mean?