Are there any 6th day of the week crucifxion believing folks visiting this site who think that Matthew 12:40 is using common idiomatic/figure of speech/colloquial language - language where a daytime or a night time was said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred?
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostAre there any 6th day of the week crucifxion believing folks visiting this site who think that Matthew 12:40 is using common idiomatic/figure of speech/colloquial language - language where a daytime or a night time was said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred?
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I don't know specifically about Hebrew/Aramaic. But I do know Latin. And a decent Latin grammar will tell you that when counting days, they would count the day of the event as the first day. So two days after that would be called the "third day after".
For example:
"The day before the Calends, Nones, or Ides of any month is designated as prīdiē Kalendās, Nōnās, Īdūs. The second day before was designated as diē tertiō ante Kalendās, Nōnās, etc. Similarly the third day before was designated as diē quārtō, and so on. These designations are arithmetically inaccurate, but the Romans reckoned both ends of the series. The Roman numeral indicating the date is therefore always larger by one than the actual number of days before Nones, Ides, or Calends."
--New Latin Grammar, Charles E. Bennett.
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/bennett.html
"tertio" there means "third"
"quarto" means "fourth"
To give an example:
January 1 is the Kalends of January
December 31 was called pridie Kalendas Januarias
December 30 was called "die tertio ante Kalendas Januarias". That is, "on the third day before Jan 1".
December 29 was called "die quarto ante Kalendas Januarias": "on the fourth day before Jan 1".
The same with days after an event.
I'm not as familiar with Greek, but I suspect it is the same there. Greek and Latin shared a lot with each other.
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostSince it's again been awhile, someone new looking in may know of examples.
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Esther did not wait a full three days and three nights. She went to the king on the third day. So that would be two days plus a number of hours.
Which would be less than 72 hours but more than 48 hours- and wholly commensurate with Hebrew usage. Whereas, Friday noon til Sunday 6am (appreciably longer than the traditional Friday late afternoon til Sunday 6am) would be only 42 hours: not commensurate with Hebrew usage for "three days and three nights."
So RStrats question in the OP
I wonder if anyone (who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" means the tomb) knows of any writing that shows that a phrase stating a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely couldn't have included at least parts of each one of the specific number of days and at least parts of each one of the specific number of nights?
has its answer: there are none.Last edited by tabibito; 10-31-2017, 10:17 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Adrift,
re: "... this was answered for you by me last year in post #123. I gave you direct quotes from highly renown commentarians..."
But none of the quotes provided any examples that showed that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.
So let me ask you:
1, Do you believe in a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection?
2. If your answer is yes, do you also believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb?
3. If your answer to the first two is yes, do you try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common coloquial language of the time?
If you can't say yes to all three questions then this topic is not directed to you.
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostAdrift,
re: "... this was answered for you by me last year in post #123. I gave you direct quotes from highly renown commentarians..."
But none of the quotes provided any examples that showed that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.
So let me ask you:
1, Do you believe in a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection?
2. If your answer is yes, do you also believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb?
3. If your answer to the first two is yes, do you try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common coloquial language of the time?
If you can't say yes to all three questions then this topic is not directed to you.
Also please use the quote function as we agreed to earlier. Per our agreement, I will again request the thread to be closed for you.Last edited by Adrift; 11-01-2017, 09:18 AM.
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It appears that there isn't going to be anyone visiting this forum who believes:
1. That the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
2. That the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb.
3. That the Messiah in Matthew 12:40 is employing common figure of speach/colloquial language.
So I shall move on and not take up anymore bandwidth.
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostIt appears that there isn't going to be anyone visiting this forum who believes:
1. That the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
2. That the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb.
3. That the Messiah in Matthew 12:40 is employing common figure of speach/colloquial language.
So I shall move on and not take up anymore bandwidth.
But this does NOT mean that no one visiting here believes it.
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostIt appears that there isn't going to be anyone visiting this forum who believes:
1. That the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
2. That the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb.
3. That the Messiah in Matthew 12:40 is employing common figure of speach/colloquial language.
So I shall move on and not take up anymore bandwidth.
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