Originally posted by AkByR64
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That's fine. What it really comes down to for me though is that the structure of the universe had a beginning in all of the theories. Even if the initial singularity is said to be it without a cause, which is certainly not proven.
What that singularity did was still caused even if it did occurred here or somewhere else. So that doesn't seem to be an issue for me. Anything and anywhere outside of that initial singularity is outside this known universe and known physics. And since it is outside of known physics and this universe.. to me this propose in some form or another..could well be God Himself.
Scientists don't claim that they know. You're right. They are only proposing theory. I doubt you know what theory is.
I agree. Scientists have admited they do not know. They use cosmology/science to explain, but honest scientists admit that they have no naturalistic to prove for it. They call it a singularity, which by definition, is an event that seems to have taken place without any natural explanation. It is by definition "supernatural" imo. A First cause has to account for the "creation of time, space, matter" which the materialist scientists cannot allow for this possibility. So they ultimately have no answer. But theists do.
I agree. That still doesn't help their argument.
Your case is simply based on blind anecdotal faith that 2000+ year old scripture is literally true avoiding any logical knowledge of science nor how it functions.
Science doesn't try to prove things because this is impossible to do (outside of mathematics/logic, that is). Nothing empirical can be proven. I cannot prove you are real. After all you may be a bot.
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