Unitarian Universalism, Humanism, God and the Humanist Manifesto

[shunyadragon]

This thread will explore Unitarian Universalism with mostly references from them, and their history as to the nature of their belief system. Yes, god(s) is mentioned in these references, but the question is how god(s) is described and viewed by Unitarians? The following is a short essay on UU website on the nature of God from the UU perspective for further discussion. Note highlighted, God is primarily described as a 'symbol,' 'concept,' or an 'idea,' 'imagery and metaphors,' and not a theist Creator, and few UUs actual view God as theist Creator God.

Source: http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/higherpower/151278.shtml

Many people have questioned whether any concept of God can be meaningful in a modern, scientific world. Others, however, find the idea of God to be profoundly meaningful. Among Unitarian Universalists (UUs) and other religious liberals, conceptions range across a wide spectrum. Some reject God altogether and hold a strictly atheistic view of the universe. Others may use the term God to convey very different ideas, such as the creative power of evolution in the universe, or the power that makes transformation possible in our lives, or the ongoing power of love, or simply the ultimate mystery within which we all must live. And while few UUs think of God as a supernatural being, many understand themselves to be in some sort of personal relationship with God, however conceived. Many also stress the feminine aspects of the divine by invoking Goddess imagery and using metaphors such as mother or sister in place of traditional metaphors for God such as father or lord.

Theologians remind us that the symbol "God" can serve several important functions. First, it offers a vision of the highest values of truth, justice, love, and goodness toward which we strive. In this sense, it serves as a standard against which to measure ourselves and our achievements. Second, the concept of God can remind us of the relativity and limitations of our own ideas. Here, it serves as a corrective to our biases and a basis for critical reflection. Finally, by bringing together our highest ideals in a single symbol, the idea of God provides a focus for personal devotion or communal worship. These are among the many reasons why God continues to be an important and meaningful symbol for many Unitarian Universalists today.

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[seer]

This thread will explore Unitarian Universalism with mostly references from them, and their history as to the nature of their belief system. Yes, god(s) is mentioned in these references, but the question is how god(s) is described and viewed by Unitarians. The following is a short essay on UU website on the nature of God from the UU perspective for further discussion. Note highlighted, God is primarily described as a 'symbol,' 'concept,' or an 'idea,' 'imagery and metaphors,' and not a theist Creator, and few UUs actual view God as theist Creator God.

Source: http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/higherpower/151278.shtml

Many people have questioned whether any concept of God can be meaningful in a modern, scientific world. Others, however, find the idea of God to be profoundly meaningful. Among Unitarian Universalists (UUs) and other religious liberals, conceptions range across a wide spectrum. Some reject God altogether and hold a strictly atheistic view of the universe. Others may use the term God to convey very different ideas, such as the creative power of evolution in the universe, or the power that makes transformation possible in our lives, or the ongoing power of love, or simply the ultimate mystery within which we all must live. And while few UUs think of God as a supernatural being, many understand themselves to be in some sort of personal relationship with God, however conceived. Many also stress the feminine aspects of the divine by invoking Goddess imagery and using metaphors such as mother or sister in place of traditional metaphors for God such as father or lord.

Theologians remind us that the symbol "God" can serve several important functions. First, it offers a vision of the highest values of truth, justice, love, and goodness toward which we strive. In this sense, it serves as a standard against which to measure ourselves and our achievements. Second, the concept of God can remind us of the relativity and limitations of our own ideas. Here, it serves as a corrective to our biases and a basis for critical reflection. Finally, by bringing together our highest ideals in a single symbol, the idea of God provides a focus for personal devotion or communal worship. These are among the many reasons why God continues to be an important and meaningful symbol for many Unitarian Universalists today.

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How silly. It makes no sense. It would be more rational to just drop the concept of God if you don't really believe He exists. You could reach all the goals stated above without this made up deity - it is unnecessary.

[shunyadragon]

There were some objections to my description of Unitarian Universalists as consensus church or religion of 'independent thought.' The objection was raised when I proposed polls as best describing what UUs believe and why. What do UUs say about this?

Source: http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/index.shtml

What Unites Us?

We are united in our broad and inclusive outlook, and in our values, as expressed in our seven Principles. We are united in shared experience: our open and stirring worship services, religious education, and rites of passage; our work for social justice; our quest to include the marginalized; our expressions of love.

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More on this to follow.

[shunyadragon]

How silly. It makes no sense. It would be more rational to just drop the concept of God if you don't really believe He exists. You could reach all the goals stated above without this made up deity - it is unnecessary.

The question is what is the foundation of belief for UU, and whether it is right, wrong or silly.

In a way I agree, but nonetheless I am just presenting UU views toward God, which is decidedly not Theist. Many if not most UUs do drop the concept of God. The views toward god(s) in UU is dominated by humanism, agnosticism, pantheism, and a vague Deism (which is not much different from variations of atheism, agnosticism, Gia like views of god(s), and pantheism.)

[seer]

The question is what is the foundation of belief for UU, and whether it is right, wrong or silly.

In a way I agree, but nonetheless I am just presenting UU views toward God, which is decidedly not Theist. Many if not most UUs do drop the concept of God. The views toward god(s) in UU is dominated by humanism, agnosticism, pantheism, and a vague Deism (which is not much different from variations of atheism, agnosticism, Gia like views of god(s), and pantheism.)

Ok, but it is still silly. What they are describing as god, is not god. God and theism are one in the same. And one wonders, in their "communal worship", what exactly are they worshiping?

[shunyadragon]

The Seven Principles are central to the UU belief system. The following is a



This description of Human worth and dignity, and the nature of being human is a very humanist view. There is no mention of the 'Source' of the worth and dignity being outside natural nature of being human.

[shunyadragon]

Compare this to the Seven Principles and other material from UUs presented here.

[Doug Shaver]

It would be more rational to just drop the concept of God if you don't really believe He exists.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this point. But some people, when they decide that a concept no longer works for them, would rather change the concept than let go of it.

It reminds me of pantheism. The thing they call God does exist. I see no point in calling it God, so I don't, but I'm not going to waste time trying to convince them that they shouldn't either.

[NormATive]

This thread will explore Unitarian Universalism with mostly references from them, and their history as to the nature of their belief system. Yes, god(s) is mentioned in these references, but the question is how god(s) is described and viewed by Unitarians? The following is a short essay on UU website on the nature of God from the UU perspective for further discussion. Note highlighted, God is primarily described as a 'symbol,' 'concept,' or an 'idea,' 'imagery and metaphors,' and not a theist Creator, and few UUs actual view God as theist Creator God.

Source: http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/higherpower/151278.shtml

Many people have questioned whether any concept of God can be meaningful in a modern, scientific world. Others, however, find the idea of God to be profoundly meaningful. Among Unitarian Universalists (UUs) and other religious liberals, conceptions range across a wide spectrum. Some reject God altogether and hold a strictly atheistic view of the universe. Others may use the term God to convey very different ideas, such as the creative power of evolution in the universe, or the power that makes transformation possible in our lives, or the ongoing power of love, or simply the ultimate mystery within which we all must live. And while few UUs think of God as a supernatural being, many understand themselves to be in some sort of personal relationship with God, however conceived. Many also stress the feminine aspects of the divine by invoking Goddess imagery and using metaphors such as mother or sister in place of traditional metaphors for God such as father or lord.

Theologians remind us that the symbol "God" can serve several important functions. First, it offers a vision of the highest values of truth, justice, love, and goodness toward which we strive. In this sense, it serves as a standard against which to measure ourselves and our achievements. Second, the concept of God can remind us of the relativity and limitations of our own ideas. Here, it serves as a corrective to our biases and a basis for critical reflection. Finally, by bringing together our highest ideals in a single symbol, the idea of God provides a focus for personal devotion or communal worship. These are among the many reasons why God continues to be an important and meaningful symbol for many Unitarian Universalists today.

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I understand the sentiment, but mysticism without anything mystical - per se - is just kind of silly. OMG, did I just agree with Seer?

I'm not ashamed to admit that I am not a theist.

Rather to just embrace humanism, as I do, than to "pretend" at church, in my opinion.

But, I will say that, while UU is not my cup of tea, they do far more for the community than most churches in our town - except the Synagogue, of course!

NORM

[Carrikature]

There were some objections to my description of Unitarian Universalists as consensus church or religion of 'independent thought.' The objection was raised when I proposed polls as best describing what UUs believe and why. What do UUs say about this?

Source: http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/index.shtml

What Unites Us?

We are united in our broad and inclusive outlook, and in our values, as expressed in our seven Principles. We are united in shared experience: our open and stirring worship services, religious education, and rites of passage; our work for social justice; our quest to include the marginalized; our expressions of love.

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More on this to follow.

Good job on actually referencing the UUA site. Being united in a shared experience is still not the same thing as belief by consensus, though, and that's illustrated perfectly in the first cite. I count no fewer than seven different conceptions of 'God'.

[shunyadragon]

Good job on actually referencing the UUA site. Being united in a shared experience is still not the same thing as belief by consensus, though, and that's illustrated perfectly in the first cite. I count no fewer than seven different conceptions of 'God'.

If you carefully read the references, what is referred to is not in actuality a God, or god(s). When you are referring to god as metaphors, ideas and concepts it is not a god. Others who have read this agree. What is your hangup? I have asked before, but have not gotten a response: What is your view of what Unitarians believe and why?

The 5th principle explains more on the concept of a belief consensus and diversity. The only thing that defines the belief are the 7 principles. You may be hung up on the word 'consensus' and still combative about the results of the polls, but nonetheless by the principles and the polls UU is predominately 'humanist, 94%. Consensus may not be the best word, still the polls themselves definitely do reflect what and why Unitarians believe today.This of course may change, but that cannot be assumed as an objection. In another post I will review the history of UU, and how it evolved into the UU of today.



The Seven Principles evolved and came about by a Democratic process that resulted in the consensus of 'What Unitarians believe.'

[shunyadragon]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this point. But some people, when they decide that a concept no longer works for them, would rather change the concept than let go of it.

It reminds me of pantheism. The thing they call God does exist. I see no point in calling it God, so I don't, but I'm not going to waste time trying to convince them that they shouldn't either.

In reality the thing they call God is not a God. It is simply our natural physical existence. Pantheism is in reality atheist/agnostic.

[shunyadragon]

I understand the sentiment, but mysticism without anything mystical - per se - is just kind of silly. OMG, did I just agree with Seer?

I'm not ashamed to admit that I am not a theist.

Rather to just embrace humanism, as I do, than to "pretend" at church, in my opinion.

But, I will say that, while UU is not my cup of tea, they do far more for the community than most churches in our town - except the Synagogue, of course!

NORM

In this scenario you described I will side with the Unitarians over Judaism.

(1) First problem, despite various attempts at modern philosophical reform, convenient pragmatism, and midrash Judaism remains anchored in a singular exclusive ancient paradigm. Unitarian Universalist Unitarians are not. They are more open to diversity and change despite their anchor in humanism. The problem of being anchored in an ancient paradigm as with Judaism, Christianity and Islam remains a limiting factor to efforts of change and reform to adapt to the modern world.

(2) Question: How many Jews conveniently 'pretend' to believe in God?

(3) An interesting view expressed to me by a Unitarian is that one of the purpose of Unitarian belief system concerning 'God(s)' is to wean believers away from the belief in the supernatural to a more real humanist and natural perspective. I am not saying that this a specific belief of UUs, but it fits the nature of the UU belief system concerning God(s).