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The evidence of a Tigris Euphrates Noah flood about 2900 BCE
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think the most obvious answer is that the Bible clearly intends to give the impression that it was a worldwide flood that wiped out all land animals on the planet. That's what you get from a plain reading of the text. The question is whether or not the story was meant to be literal history, whether it was "true from a certain point of view", or if it was allegory.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostA plain reading of the text does give that impression. Whether a plain reading of the text in (say) 500 BC would lead to the same result is a matter of seeing whether comments were made about the record, and determining in other ways what the culture of that time might have seen. Not that I expect a whole lot of literal accuracy from the texts prior to Abraham - and maybe even as late as Joshua.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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The world is much older than 12 000 years, and that there was no global flood within the past 200 000 years are not matters of mere hypothesis. No satisfactory squaring of the record of Noah with any events of the past 200 000 years is possible. Either the story is a fable, or it is far more ancient than is generally believed.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRight, which is why we need to be careful about taking statements from the Bible to support scientific hypotheses.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostThe world is much older than 12 000 years, and that there was no global flood within the past 200 000 years are not matters of mere hypothesis. No satisfactory squaring of the record of Noah with any events of the past 200 000 years is possible. Either the story is a fable, or it is far more ancient than is generally believed.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd it's always possible that we are misinterpreting the evidence.
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The assumptions are that floods leave traces of their occurrence.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt depends on one's assumptions.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostThe assumptions are that floods leave traces of their occurrence.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAssuming we would recognize the traces of a one-time world wide catastrophe that happened an indeterminate time in the past through means that we don't entirely understand and has never been repeated.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAssuming we would recognize the traces of a one-time world wide catastrophe that happened an indeterminate time in the past through means that we don't entirely understand and has never been repeated.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf a global flood of that nature recently took place we couldn't help but trip over the evidence.
I have trouble reconciling the details of the story with the premise that it wasn't a global flood.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe problem is, if the flood wasn't global then the story makes no sense. Why build a boat when Noah and his family could have simply moved to another part of the Earth that God wasn't planning to destroy?
Why bring two of every land animal aboard when there would have been plenty of survivors in the unflooded regions?Is it plausible that Noah and his family could have spent a year on the water without ever seeing evidence of distant dry land?
I have trouble reconciling the details of the story with the premise that it wasn't a global flood.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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