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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostOnly if you 'believe' in God."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThat is simply the assumption and the conclusion of that argument."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostOnly if you 'believe' in God.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThe Bible doesn't make the claim that that Christians only believe they know God.
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Originally posted by JimL View Post"Thomas, because thou hast seen me thou hast believed, blessed are those that haven't seen me and yet believe." Thomas didn't believe until he knew, until he saw with his own eyes, and you are no different than Thomas when it comes to knowledge. For whatever reason, you're a believer, not a knower.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, they don't. They believe that they know god.
No one knows anything they do not believe. Furthermore most things one thinks one knows is solely based on the witness of some else's first hand knowlegde, I know 1 + 1 = 2. I know first hand Jupiter has 4 moons one can see with good pair of 7 power binoculars. I also know Jupiter has 79 known moons. But that is not my first hand knowledge.
Now my knowing God is my first hand knowledge, just as it can become your own first hand knowledge too.Last edited by 37818; 04-12-2020, 05:03 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThis was after the resurrection, but before the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is irrelevant to the question at hand and to try and draw the conclusion that Christians don't know God from it is completely unwarranted.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostSo you then do not know your handle is JimL, you only believe it is.
No one knows anything they do not believe. Furthermore most things one thinks one knows is solely based on the witness of some else's first hand knowlegde, I know 1 + 1 = 2. I know first hand Jupiter has 4 moons one can see with good pair of 7 power binoculars. I also know Jupiter has 79 known moons. But that is not my first hand knowledge.
Now my knowing God is my first hand knowledge, just as it can become your own first hand knowledge too.
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