Does an Omniscient Creator Lead to Fatalism?

[Mountain Man]

Or is this just accommodating language? When in the garden God asked Adam where he was - are we suggesting that God really didn't know?

Then there's the example of God apparently changing his mind in response to Moses' pleas, but we see later that once Moses realizes that God was right to want to punish the people, that God commands him and the Levites to kill those who rebelled, and Moses obeys. So God didn't actually change his mind.

[Sparko]

Yup. At least so far.

[Tassman]

Then there's the example of God apparently changing his mind in response to Moses' pleas, but we see later that once Moses realizes that God was right to want to punish the people, that God commands him and the Levites to kill those who rebelled, and Moses obeys. So God didn't actually change his mind.

[crepuscule]

Yup. At least so far.

[Sparko]

nope. Because as I said, your choices are all free will. You are still responsible for them. That's kinda the whole point of Molinism and why it came to be versus Calvinism.

[JimL]

nope. Because as I said, your choices are all free will. You are still responsible for them. That's kinda the whole point of Molinism and why it came to be versus Calvinism.

How is it you can't see how ridiculous that idea is? If it's gods plan that you do this or that, then you're not free to do otherwise.

[Sparko]

How is it you can't see how ridiculous that idea is? If it's gods plan that you do this or that, then you're not free to do otherwise.

read above, I already explained it.

PS, MY plan is for you to continue to make dumb posts and make a fool of yourself on TWEB.

Now I guess that means that every time you do, I am controlling you.

[JimL]

read above, I already explained it.

PS, MY plan is for you to continue to make dumb posts and make a fool of yourself on TWEB.

Now I guess that means that every time you do, I am controlling you.

Well, that would be comparing yourself to god, so that's dumb as well.

[Sparko]

Well, that would be comparing yourself to god, so that's dumb as well.

Nope. If my plan aligns with your free will actions, then I must be controlling your actions, right? That is what you just argued above.

I created the environment (theologyweb) that allows you to use your freewill actions to post idiotic things and make yourself look stupid. My plan is to continue to allow you to do that. Therefore according to your argument above, I am controlling you.

[JimL]

Nope. If my plan aligns with your free will actions, then I must be controlling your actions, right? That is what you just argued above.

I created the environment (theologyweb) that allows you to use your freewill actions to post idiotic things and make yourself look stupid. My plan is to continue to allow you to do that. Therefore according to your argument above, I am controlling you.

No, I actually did read your regarding your take on molinism, and like I said, it's dumb. If god created a world in which he knows that your choices will align with his plan, then to argue that they are free will choices is just idiotic.

[Sparko]

No, I actually did read your regarding your take on molinism, and like I said, it's dumb. If god created a world in which he knows that your choices will align with his plan, then to argue that they are free will choices is just idiotic.

Thank you for continuing to follow my plan, puppet.

[Cow Poke]

[Cow Poke]

PS, MY plan is for you to continue to make dumb posts and make a fool of yourself on TWEB.

It's been YOU all along! Poor Jim is just following the plan. That explains so much!

Hey - did you make him defend NAMBLA - that pervert pedophile group?

[Sparko]

It's been YOU all along! Poor Jim is just following the plan. That explains so much!

Hey - did you make him defend NAMBLA - that pervert pedophile group?

sorry. I thought it was amusing.

[Cow Poke]

sorry. I thought it was amusing.

That's a relief, cause I was thinking NOBODY could be that dumb and breathe oxygen.