Does an Omniscient Creator Lead to Fatalism?

[Doug Shaver]

Yes and the willingness to do that will prior to doing it. [One cannot do what one does not know or understand to do.]

So the test won't work if I do God's will without wanting to do it. Am I understanding you correctly now?

[37818]

So the test won't work if I do God's will without wanting to do it. Am I understanding you correctly now?

Yes. You would also not do it. But there is another component. One would not even try to find out correctly what it was for one to do and the reasons why.

[37818]

You do not believe God is God.

So do you deny that there is uncaused existence?

[37818]

So the test won't work if I do God's will without wanting to do it. Am I understanding you correctly now?

How can you do that? Do God's will without wanting to? When it is wholly without any merit in doing it.

[Tassman]

You do not believe God is God.

The notion of gods is not supported by substantive evidence.

So do you deny that there is uncaused existence?

I see no good reason to believe that the universe must be caused by something that is itself caused, as per the Cosmological Argument.

[Doug Shaver]

You would also not do it.

Why do you think so? Are you under the impression that I never do anything I don't want to do?

[37818]

The notion of gods is not supported by substantive evidence.

Please identify that specific substantive evidence which shows there is no God.

I see no good reason to believe that the universe must be caused by something that is itself caused, as per the Cosmological Argument.

There is not anything in the Cosmological Argument that is self caused. Uncaused yes. Not anything self caused.

[37818]

Why do you think so? Are you under the impression that I never do anything I don't want to do?

Ok, then on that matter I am wrong. What is it you think you need to do to do God's will? And what is given to be the God given reason for doing it? Please elaborate its importance.

[Tassman]

Please identify that specific substantive evidence which shows there is no God.

The question erroneously assumes an existence (God) which is to be disproved. There is no evidence of such an entity existing.

There is not anything in the Cosmological Argument that is self caused. Uncaused yes. Not anything self caused.

The Cosmological argument does not take into account the counter intuitive reality of quantum physics.

[37818]

The question erroneously assumes an existence (God) which is to be disproved. There is no evidence of such an entity existing.

Ah, there is no evidence for there being an Israel. That there is with them a 7th day Sabbath. There is no evidence that a proclaimed to beJewish Messiah that was put to death. The claim that that one came back from the dead. There is no Christian Era.

And best yet, there has never been any kind of evidence to suggest that the universe has some kind of origin.

And before I forget, there are humans who say that they know this God (Christians).

The Cosmological argument does not take into account the counter intuitive reality of quantum physics.

Quantum physics does not negate causation. CA argues for an uncaused cause.

[Doug Shaver]

What is it you think you need to do to do God's will?

Step One would be finding out what it is.

[Tassman]

Ah, there is no evidence for there being an Israel. That there is with them a 7th day Sabbath. There is no evidence that a proclaimed to beJewish Messiah that was put to death. The claim that that one came back from the dead. There is no Christian Era.

And best yet, there has never been any kind of evidence to suggest that the universe has some kind of origin.

And before I forget, there are humans who say that they know this God (Christians).

None of these things are evidence of the existence of a god, other than that some people claim they are.

Quantum physics does not negate causation.

It does. Causation is violated in mainstream interpretations of quantum mechanics.

CA argues for an uncaused cause.

The quantum world results in a radical reshaping of the classical world-view and invalidates metaphysical arguments, such as the Cosmological Argument, based on it.

[37818]

None of these things are evidence of the existence of a god, other than that some people claim they are.

Oh, so evidence for one person is no evidence for another. Oh, evidence is not objective but subjective.

It does. Causation is violated in mainstream interpretations of quantum mechanics.

Specifically?

The quantum world results in a radical reshaping of the classical world-view and invalidates metaphysical arguments, such as the Cosmological Argument, based on it.

How? Give the specific.

[Tassman]

Oh, so evidence for one person is no evidence for another. Oh, evidence is not objective but subjective.

Specifically?

https://physicsworld.com/a/quantum-m...cal-causality/

How? Give the specific.

See above. You really need to educate yourself; there is a host of easily accessible stuff on line re quantum physics

[37818]

Well it is in evidence, that Christians claim to know God.

https://physicsworld.com/a/quantum-m...cal-causality/

Well, citing quantum mechanics as you have is just a generality. What was the definitive experiment?