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Last edited by Sparko; 11-09-2017, 01:02 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostExcept your condemnation has no bite, no meaning. You might as well condemn God for not giving lollipops to the Romans. God nor anyone else gives a flying fart what your opinion is on what is moral or immoral. You support mothers killing babies in the womb.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOh, but you do care, we don't always agree, and we have laws in case there be a dispute in the matter. And btw, you must understand that god doesn't really exist from my perspective, my condemnation of the god of the israelites is really just a condemnation of the slavery practices of the Israelites themselves.
You can't even keep your values straight. You are now claiming that morals are subjective yet we can impose our morality on other societies retroactively, yet previously in other threads you told us that you believe morals are objective.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't care Jimmy. Your opinion of what is moral or not is so twisted and corrupted that it has no meaning. If you told me the sky was blue I would have to double check it myself.
You can't even keep your values straight. You are now claiming that morals are subjective yet we can impose our morality on other societies retroactively, yet previously in other threads you told us that you believe morals are objective.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, you just don't happen to like, or are unable to face the way the world is. You don't want it to be left up to you decide for yourself, you want to told what is right or wrong, even though theres no one there to tell you. And no, I never said morality is objective, what I said is that morals are objective in the sense of the effects they have on society.
that was easy.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSure! let's go with it is up to me to decide for myself. I decide that you are immoral and God is not.
that was easy.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSure! let's go with it is up to me to decide for myself. I decide that you are immoral and God is not.
that was easy.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostExactly, see how easy that was? But remember, in order to truly be moral you have to use reason in order to understand why a thing is either good or bad from your own subjective point of view. Oh, and btw, you can't decide whether or not god is moral, because you have no idea if a god even exists or not. Nobody does!
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt's not "that easy" because, as an evolved as a social animal, your decisions about what is right and wrong are influenced by your awareness of and response to the social rules of the group. For any social species the benefits of being part of an altruistic group outweigh the benefits of individualism.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI find your attitude to be immoral and depraved. I dismiss your evil opinions. You are evil, your arguments are invalid.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI find your attitude to be immoral and depraved. I dismiss your evil opinions. You are evil, your arguments are invalid.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostUnless your views reflect the social rules and attitudes of society they can be dismissed as the eccentric, individualistic crap that they are
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey do Tassy. Christians are the majority of the western civilization and so our morality is only one that counts. And if you throw in Jews, Hindus, and even moderate muslims who share most of Christian morals, then you really are up the creek without a paddle. If Majority rules, you lose, you useless immoral piece of gutter trash.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDepends on who you are calling Christians, most Christians are christian in name only and couldn't give a damn what the church thinks. How many christians do you suppose are pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, etc.?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostSpeaking out of both sides of your mouth. When it is convenient anyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian. When it is not convenient you turn the other way. You are extremely dishonest.
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