Study Disproves The Bible

[rogue06]

So, to be clear, are you saying that they're just in cahoots with one another or that there really are YEC Intelligent Design types?

A bit of both. It really depends on the person.

[Adrift]

A bit of both. It really depends on the person.

Ok. I figured YECs wouldn't care much for ID either.

[rogue06]

Moved this since you already read and replied to my earlier post

Hmm. For some reason I assumed that almost all IDers were old earth creationists. By the way, the word "creationist" for "young earth creationist" always throws me. All Christians, and most theists are creationists in some regard. We all believe that the natural world was created at some point, we simply differ on when that creative action ceased.

True. It seems that YECs have kind of hijacked the term creationists. For instance, Henry Morris is regarded as the "father of the modern creationist movement" when in fact it should be the "father of the modern YEC movement."

And even YECs have changed their minds rather dramatically a few decades ago about the creative process. It used to be that they held that each species was divinely and separately created but they have abandoned this and now fully embrace speciation (when a lineage divides into two or more separate and genetically distinct groups). In fact with some, like the folks at AnswersinGenesis, it is a crucial part of their model used to explain how so many different types of organisms can exist from what was on board Noah's Ark 4000 years ago. They actually teach a form of hyper-super-megaevolution with new species arising every other generation after the animals left the Ark.

[rogue06]

Ok. I figured YECs wouldn't care much for ID either.

Some aren't all that thrilled with it and have expressed their distaste, but many if not most seem willing to embrace it.

[One Bad Pig]

Some aren't all that thrilled with it and have expressed their distaste, but many if not most seem willing to embrace it.

I'm certain that those on the Board of Education in Dover v. Board of Education were YECs (because they went to my dad's church, and I'm a proud Dover Eagle).

[rogue06]

I'm certain that those on the Board of Education in Dover v. Board of Education were YECs (because they went to my dad's church, and I'm a proud Dover Eagle).

Well I'll be. So pigs do fly.

[shunyadragon]

I'm certain that those on the Board of Education in Dover v. Board of Education were YECs (because they went to my dad's church, and I'm a proud Dover Eagle).

After the Dover trial they were voted out of Board of Education.

[Roy]

Hmm. For some reason I assumed that almost all IDers were old earth creationists.

Most, perhaps, but nowhere near almost all of them.

You can check this by looking at, say, the attendees or presenters at ID conferences such as the Symposium at Cornell on Biological Information, and counting the YECs.

By the way, the word "creationist" for "young earth creationist" always throws me. All Christians, and most theists are creationists in some regard. We all believe that the natural world was created at some point, we simply differ on when that creative action ceased.

Also on what the creation consisted of, such as whether birds/fish/mammals were created, or simpler life-forms were created which then evolved into birds/fish/mammals.

[Roy]

I'm certain that those on the Board of Education in Dover v. Board of Education were YECs (because they went to my dad's church, and I'm a proud Dover Eagle).

Thanks - info much appreciated.

[shunyadragon]

Evolutionists come to Bible's defense:

https://evolutionnews.org/2017/07/fo...-bible-around/

David Klinghoffer is an Intelligent Design advocate at the Discovery Institute

The website Evolution News is Discovery Institute website. It does not support the science of evolution. Actually the Discovery Institute is by far dominated by believers of the YEC/OEC world view with a few very questionable scientists with a religious agenda.

Klimghoffer is an Orthodox Jew who is employed by the Discovery Institute. He is opposed to evolution, and he is not a scientist in any field related to evolution. He only has a bachelors degree from Brown University.

[shunyadragon]

So what? All those articles about the bible being wrong were wrong themselves.

All these articles are not academic or scholarly articles from journals. They are editorialized third source articles for the general public, and yes questionable articles with an agenda. As previously described it is better to base this discussion on academic sources.

[Adrift]

Most, perhaps, but nowhere near almost all of them.

You can check this by looking at, say, the attendees or presenters at ID conferences such as the Symposium at Cornell on Biological Information, and counting the YECs.

huh. had no idea.

[One Bad Pig]

After the Dover trial they were voted out of Board of Education.

Um, I knew that. I personally know the board members, Shunya.

[Doug Shaver]

I thought that Intelligent Design types distinguished between natural/Darwinian evolution and a sort of guided evolution. Is that not a correct understanding of their view?

The key distinction is between natural selection and intelligently guided selection. They maintain that a naturalistic worldview is insufficient to explain certain observed biological phenomena.

[Adrift]

The key distinction is between natural selection and intelligently guided selection. They maintain that a naturalistic worldview is insufficient to explain certain observed biological phenomena.

Right, that's exactly what I thought it was. So they do consider themselves evolutionists to some degree then, just not natural or Darwinian evolutionists.