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The flaws of NT-based morality
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostPlease don't disingenuously pretend to others that I'm not 100% consistent on this. As I've said dozens of times here, I believe the important thing is level of mental function. Thus the point at which having an abortion is worse than killing an animal is the point at which the mental function of the fetus is higher than the animal. Cows have more mental function, more sense of self, more memories, more intelligence, than a human fetus, hence killing a cow is morally worse than abortion. Clear?I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThere were 12 tribes of Israel. They were all the same ethnic group.
There are many nations in the middle east that are all the same ethnic group and race."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIt's always fascinating to watch you bury yourself in these little exchanges of ours.
Or, better yet, I'm simply citing a familiar Bible passage."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf he could give milk then he could be categorized as a cow and his life would be spared by Starlight.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostIndeed, and NorrinRadd seems unaware of the historical impact of 1 Corinthians 7:3-5 and other similar passages on Christian societies.
1 Cor 7:3-5
The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another except perhaps by agreement for a set time, to devote yourselves to prayer, and then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
It was only relatively recently (~1970-1990s) that the UK and US legally recognized marital rape as a crime. Even today there are Christians who are convinced the idea of 'marital rape' is nonsensical.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostChristians are not limited to the NT. I thought you knew that?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI like how you explicitly bold one verse and quietly ignore the one which immediately follows, and which undercuts your argument. The Bible explicitly commands mutual respect, honor, and love in marriage. Elsewhere the Bible commands husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the Church, which exemplifies a selfless, sacrificial love. That is at odds with any notion that husbands are permitted to rape their wives.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis doesn't alter the fact that the husband is given authority over the wife and for much of history the wife has been legally deemed to be her man's chattel.
While the NT doesn't take the modern egalitarian view, still most of the problem is how Christians carried out what is in the Bible. Women were told they had to submit to abusive husbands, using passages that weren't intended to teach that. I'm guessing the author of Ephesians thought he was guarding "submit to your husband" with a section on the husband's duty to love and care for his wife, and making the overall topic be "submit to each other." But no wording is safe in the hands of abusers, or a Church unwilling to face the issue. In retrospect, language involving submission is inherently dangerous, a danger that I don't think the NT authors realized.
Some historians have noted that the Christian cult of virginity (not something that I think is explicitly Biblical) was freeing for women. In the traditional culture, there was no honorable alternative for a woman other than marriage. Christianity provided an alternative, for those that didn't want to be bound to husbands.Last edited by hedrick; 08-07-2017, 07:19 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostThis doesn't alter the fact that the husband is given authority over the wife and for much of history the wife has been legally deemed to be her man's chattel.
According to your reasoning, the man is also the woman's chattel since the passage goes on to say that "likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does." Why, it's almost like God was commanding mutual love, respect, and authority within the marital relationship! What a concept!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by hedrick View PostI don't think you'll find NT support for chattel.
While the NT doesn't take the modern egalitarian view, still most of the problem is how Christians carried out what is in the Bible. Women were told they had to submit to abusive husbands, using passages that weren't intended to teach that. I'm guessing the author of Ephesians thought he was guarding "submit to your husband" with a section on the husband's duty to love and care for his wife, and making the overall topic be "submit to each other." But no wording is safe in the hands of abusers, or a Church unwilling to face the issue. In retrospect, language involving submission is inherently dangerous, a danger that I don't think the NT authors realized.
Some historians have noted that the Christian cult of virginity (not something that I think is explicitly Biblical) was freeing for women. In the traditional culture, there was no honorable alternative for a woman other than marriage. Christianity provided an alternative, for those that didn't want to be bound to husbands.
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