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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe Nile has changed course a bit over the centuries and the delta has moved around with parts drying out and others getting wet, etc. causing the Egyptians to move around a bit. So I guess you could say that if the prophesy was from the point of view of the receivers, a severe drought or movement of the river/delta course could be considered "drying up"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOne of the reasons I just don't put a lot of creedence in "prophecy." You can pretty much always make it true (or false) if you squint, stand on one leg, flap your left arm like a bird, and sing "Dixie Melody" in French.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostDoesn't the prophecy not only claim that Tyre will not be rebuilt, but also that it will become a bare rock on which fishermen spread out their nets? You can't spread out a net to dry underwater.
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Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . based on the possibiity of a miracle like the spreading of the Red Sea. The geologic and geomorphology of the sediments of the Delta and alluvial floodplain and terraces are conclusive evidence that the Nile never dried up.
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Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postfor some. not always. And then when you chain some all together and they all still work out, then it makes it that more convincing. That is why I said I prefer the prophesies that point to Christ in the Old Testament. That is a lot of coincidences strung together.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe Nile has changed course a bit over the centuries and the delta has moved around with parts drying out and others getting wet, etc. causing the Egyptians to move around a bit. So I guess you could say that if the prophesy was from the point of view of the receivers, a severe drought or movement of the river/delta course could be considered "drying up"
The prophecy describes the 'streams' of the Nile. For the millennia the Nile was fed by the different forks of the Nile of the 'upper kingdom, and the forests above that fed the streams.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostIt was a bare rock for a while, and then apparently, it sank.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostIt was a bare rock for a while, and then apparently, it sank.
It's not bare rock now, since it's underwater.
It wasn't bare rock while the city was there.
There are still columns on the seabed, suggesting it wasn't bare rock when (if) it apparently sank.
Do you have any evidence that it was ever bare rock used by fisherman other than the prophesy itself?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUnless, of course, the NT writers created those linkages as a way of saying, "this man was important - pay attention!"
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostOnly true in part when annual flood occurred pretty much all the Nile delta was under water or swamp. This only changed in recent years with the building of the Aswan Damn that reduced the annual flood and reduced the dry season flow, but the Nile nor the streams of the Nile dried up.
The prophecy describes the 'streams' of the Nile. For the millennia the Nile was fed by the different forks of the Nile of the 'upper kingdom, and the forests above that fed the streams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsince the bible is historical, they would have had a hard time convincing other people of made-up events and people. The others would know it was made up. Prophesies such as when and where the Messiah would be born, what he would do, how he would be buried, etc are pretty hard to fake.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat's a point that I've been making for years. When the gospels and letters were written and being circulated there were still a large number of eyewitnesses around to the events who could and would have called B.S. if they contained, um, "fake news" rather than good news. The gospels especially would have had a very difficult time being accepted which all indications point to that they weren't. It would be like someone today writing about, say, their experiences in Vietnam during the war and loading it with wild fantasies. Even though it happened several decades ago there are still far too many people alive who would have been onsite of where the author claimed these things occurred and could expose him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhat makes you think the "streams" were not talking of the delta? It is made up of many streams. And many have dried up and others formed over the centuries. The silt eventually blocks some and new ones form.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostEvidence?
It's not bare rock now, since it's underwater.
It wasn't bare rock while the city was there.
There are still columns on the seabed, suggesting it wasn't bare rock when (if) it apparently sank.
Do you have any evidence that it was ever bare rock used by fisherman other than the prophesy itself?
Apparently the fishing nets were drying on the shore, after the sinking of Tyre.
Blessings,
LeeLast edited by lee_merrill; 01-05-2018, 06:32 PM."What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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