Getting to grips with God

[firstfloor]

First point is that there is no such thing as "natural justice." Nature, nor the natural laws that created us care in the least about justice. The classic golden rule, do under others, is no more valid than the other golden rule; he with the most gold rules.

[Sparko]

You know firstfloor,

I like you. While you are a troll, at least you are obvious about it, and you have a good sense of humor and don't take yourself too seriously like a lot of people seem to do on internet forums.

[firstfloor]

You know firstfloor,

I like you. While you are a troll, at least you are obvious about it, and you have a good sense of humor and don't take yourself too seriously like a lot of people seem to do on internet forums.

[Sparko]

You might not like meeting God face to face.

[seer]

I know the history FF, my point is there is no such thing as natural law.

Natural law (Latin: ius naturale, lex naturalis) is a philosophy that certain rights are inherent by virtue of human nature endowed by nature, God, or a transcendent source, and can be understood universally through human reason. Historically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature to deduce binding rules of moral behavior from nature's or God's creation of reality and mankind. The law of nature, as determined by nature, is universal.

Apart from God, there is no universal moral code, binding rules of moral behavior or inherent rights. Nor can there be.

[seer]

Seer is a tiny speck on the horizon behind us but we are gamely willing him on.

Well at least I'm still in the picture...

[firstfloor]

You might not like meeting God face to face.

Probably not, I hear you need welding goggles.

[seer]

Probably not, I hear you need welding goggles.

And a puke bag...

[Sparko]

Probably not, I hear you need welding goggles.

Probably should go ahead and bring the whole fireproof suit in your case.

[seer]

Probably should go ahead and bring the whole fireproof suit in your case.

ouch...

[firstfloor]

Probably should go ahead and bring the whole fireproof suit in your case.

Won't need it, I plan to pay Him off with a sherbet fountain.

[firstfloor]

I know the history FF, my point is there is no such thing as natural law.
Apart from God, there is no universal moral code, binding rules of moral behavior or inherent rights. Nor can there be.

Morality develops naturally from human behaviour. Moralities that help societies to thrive will survive. Others will die out. The morality of Islam and to a lesser extent Christianity is parasitical on technologically advanced civilisations and they would die out if they were not. We have a duty to help these impostor religious moralities to disappear.

[seer]

Morality develops naturally from human behaviour. Moralities that help societies to thrive will survive. Others will die out. The morality of Islam and to a lesser extent Christianity is parasitical on technologically advanced civilisations and they would die out if they were not. We have a duty to help these impostor religious moralities to disappear.

That is silly FF, there is nothing that I know that would ensure social cohesion more than a common religion. Why do you think that the evolutionary process had selected for religious tendencies? Remember in this world atheism is still the distinct minority. And you assume that less religion would lead to greater peace or unity - that too is unfounded, it could just as well lead to pogroms and gulags on a universal scale. Sorry bro, you have absolutely nothing to offer.

[One Bad Pig]

That is silly FF,... Sorry bro, you have absolutely nothing to offer.

Silly is all ff is here for. He aims to entertain. I appreciate that he's so transparent about it.

[Yttrium]

That is silly FF, there is nothing that I know that would ensure social cohesion more than a common religion. Why do you think that the evolutionary process had selected for religious tendencies? Remember in this world atheism is still the distinct minority. And you assume that less religion would lead to greater peace or unity - that too is unfounded, it could just as well lead to pogroms and gulags on a universal scale. Sorry bro, you have absolutely nothing to offer.

Strangely enough, I'm forced to agree with this.