Getting to grips with God

[firstfloor]

I've never heard that message being preached in any church or congregation I've ever been to.

[Sparko]

Care to give us a bible quote on that?

[JonathanL]

Deus vult.

[firstfloor]

Care to give us a bible quote on that?

I think you can get a better idea of what I mean by reading C. S. Lewis (an influential Christian). In fact, now that I think of it, C. S. Lewis may well be more influential and more relevant to the point than The Bible itself.

[One Bad Pig]

...so that you will act in a particular way and are obedient to the Church.

Oh, the horror.

[Jedidiah]

Oh, the horror.

Well it is horrible if you don't like having to live a moral life, and being accountable.

[Tassman]

Well it is horrible if you don't like having to live a moral life, and being accountable.

[Sparko]

I think you can get a better idea of what I mean by reading C. S. Lewis (an influential Christian). In fact, now that I think of it, C. S. Lewis may well be more influential and more relevant to the point than The Bible itself.

really, what did Lewis say about it?

[seer]

really, what did Lewis say about it?

Here you go, and I tend to agree with Lewis:

Chapter 8 - "The Great Sin"

from "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis

I now come to that part of Christian morals where they differ most sharply from all other morals. There is one vice of which no man in the world is free; which everyone in the world loathes when he sees it in someone else' and of which hardly any people, except Christians, ever imagine that they are guilty themselves. I have heard people admit that they are bad tempered, or that they cannot keep their heads about girls or drink, or even that they are cowards. I do not think I have ever heard anyone who was not a Christian accuse himself of this vice. And at the same time I have very seldom met anyone, who was not a Christian, who showed the slightest mercy to it in others. There is no fault which makes a man more unpopular, and no fault which we are more unconscious of in ourselves. And the more we have it ourselves, the more we dislike it in others.

The vice I am talking of is Pride or Self-Conceit: and the virtue opposite to it, in Christian morals, is called Humility. You may remember, when I was talking about sexual morality, I warned you that the center of Christian morals did not lie there. Well, now, we have come to the centre. According to Christian teachers, the essential vice, the utmost evil, is Pride. Unchastity, anger, greed, drunkenness, and all that, are mere fleabites in comparison: it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice: it is the complete anti-God state of mind.

http://www.fellowshipofthemartyrs.co...sinq-cs-lewis-

[Sparko]

Here you go, and I tend to agree with Lewis:

He is talking about hubris. Self-conceit. that is different from just "pride" - I can be proud to be an honorable man, proud to be a patriot, proud of my work. That isn't a problem. It becomes hubris when you think that makes you better than others and you can do no wrong.

The bible doesn't condemn pride, it condemns hubris.

[seer]

He is talking about hubris. Self-conceit. that is different from just "pride" - I can be proud to be an honorable man, proud to be a patriot, proud of my work. That isn't a problem. It becomes hubris when you think that makes you better than others and you can do no wrong.

The bible doesn't condemn pride, it condemns hubris.

Well pride has different meanings:

Definition of pride
1: the quality or state of being proud: such as

a : inordinate self-esteem : conceit
b : a reasonable or justifiable self-respect

When we speak of pride being a deadly sin we are speaking of hubris or conceit.

[Sparko]

Well pride has different meanings:



When we speak of pride being a deadly sin we are speaking of hubris or conceit.

I am proud to say that I don't suffer from hubris and I am the most humble man you have ever met.

[firstfloor]

Oh, the horror.

[seer]

I am proud to say that I don't suffer from hubris and I am the most humble man you have ever met.

[One Bad Pig]

You'd encourage children to run free and discourage marriage? Interesting.