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  • I have addressed this many times 'infalibility' involved the scriptures and spiritual teachings in the volumes such as the Katabi-Aqdas, and not commentary on the knowledge of the science of the time.

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    • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      No you did not! The context includes volumes of Baha'i Writings, and not just a few selective quotes, which I explained.
      Shuny, your faith teaches that Adam is the father of MAN, man's physical nature. If man does not include all mankind then what does it include, who is excluded from Adam's physical nature? And where are your references showing that descendants from the previous cycle still exist today? That Adam is not our only father?
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post
        Shuny, your faith teaches that Adam is the father of MAN, man's physical nature. If man does not include all mankind then what does it include, who is excluded from Adam's physical nature? And where are your references showing that descendants from the previous cycle still exist today? That Adam is not our only father?
        Already answered with references.

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        • As per numerous previous threads over many years:

          Source: http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-163.html

          'When are the Baha'i Writings literal and do not change, and how are the commentary about our physical existence in the writings considered. The moral laws of the Baha'i writings are logically correct, immutable and will not change.

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          Source: Paris Talks, Pages 141-146: gr16


          "Now, all questions of morality contained in the spiritual, immutable law of every religion are logically right. If religion were contrary to logical reason then it would cease to be a religion and be merely a tradition. Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of materialism."

          Paris Talks, Pages 141-146: gr16

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          It is the spiritual laws concerning moral teaching that are immutable and absolute, not commentary on te scientific knowledge of the time.

          Source: Abul-Baha


          Harmony of Science and Religion

          Another cause of dissension and disagreement is the fact that religion has been pronounced at variance with science. Between scientists and the followers of religion there has always been controversy and strife for the reason that the latter have proclaimed religion superior in authority to science and considered scientific announcement opposed to the teachings of religion. Baha'u'llah declared that religion is in complete harmony with science and reason. If religious belief and doctrine is at variance with reason, it proceeds from the limited mind of man and not from God; therefore, it is unworthy of belief and not deserving of attention; the heart finds no rest in it, and real faith is impossible. How can man believe that which he knows to be opposed to reason? Is this possible? Can the heart accept that which reason denies? Reason is the first faculty of man, and the religion of God is in harmony with it. Baha'u'llah has removed this form of dissension and discord from among mankind and reconciled science . . .

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          Source: The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Pages 228-235: gr9



          Among other principles of Baha'u'llah's teachings was the harmony of science and religion. Religion must stand the analysis of reason. It must agree with scientific fact and proof so that science will sanction religion and religion fortify science. Both are indissolubly welded and joined in reality. If statements and teachings of religion are found to be unreasonable and contrary to science, they are outcomes of superstition and imagination. . .The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Pages 172-176: gr9

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          Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-21-2017, 05:09 PM.

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          • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
            Already answered with references.
            That is an out right lie - where?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
              As per numerous previous threads over many years:

              Source: http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-163.html

              'When are the Baha'i Writings literal and do not change, and how are the commentary about our physical existence in the writings considered. The moral laws of the Baha'i writings are logically correct, immutable and will not change.

              © Copyright Original Source



              Source: Paris Talks, Pages 141-146: gr16


              "Now, all questions of morality contained in the spiritual, immutable law of every religion are logically right. If religion were contrary to logical reason then it would cease to be a religion and be merely a tradition. Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of materialism."

              Paris Talks, Pages 141-146: gr16

              © Copyright Original Source



              It is the spiritual laws concerning moral teaching that are immutable and absolute, not commentary on te scientific knowledge of the time.

              Source: Abul-Baha


              Harmony of Science and Religion

              Another cause of dissension and disagreement is the fact that religion has been pronounced at variance with science. Between scientists and the followers of religion there has always been controversy and strife for the reason that the latter have proclaimed religion superior in authority to science and considered scientific announcement opposed to the teachings of religion. Baha'u'llah declared that religion is in complete harmony with science and reason. If religious belief and doctrine is at variance with reason, it proceeds from the limited mind of man and not from God; therefore, it is unworthy of belief and not deserving of attention; the heart finds no rest in it, and real faith is impossible. How can man believe that which he knows to be opposed to reason? Is this possible? Can the heart accept that which reason denies? Reason is the first faculty of man, and the religion of God is in harmony with it. Baha'u'llah has removed this form of dissension and discord from among mankind and reconciled science . . .

              © Copyright Original Source



              Source: The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Pages 228-235: gr9



              Among other principles of Baha'u'llah's teachings was the harmony of science and religion. Religion must stand the analysis of reason. It must agree with scientific fact and proof so that science will sanction religion and religion fortify science. Both are indissolubly welded and joined in reality. If statements and teachings of religion are found to be unreasonable and contrary to science, they are outcomes of superstition and imagination. . .The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Pages 172-176: gr9

              © Copyright Original Source

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              • Originally posted by seer View Post
                No, I'm just showing Shuny what his religion actually teaches.
                Don't you think it's a tad bizarre that a non Baha'i like you is lecturing a committed practitioner of that faith about what he should believe. Especially someone like you, who is notorious for misleading quote mining.

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                • Everything 'Abdu'l-baha writes (says) is infallible concerning the Laws, and spiritual teachings of the Baha'i Faith including the interpretation of these scriptures, like seer, you are a specialist in misleading dishonest, and embarrassing, quote mining without consider the whole of scriptures and guidance, which I cited concerning the specific guidance and beliefs concerning the harmony of science and religion.

                  You do much better as an anal retentive grammarian.
                  Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-21-2017, 08:38 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by seer View Post
                    That is an out right lie - where?
                    It is quite typical that you divert the topic of the thread, because you cannot respond to coherent competent argument on topic, and chose, like Adrift, in a personal biased, selective dishonest personal attack 'OFF TOPIC of the thread in frustration of not being able to present a reasonable logical and coherent argument.

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                    • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      Everything 'Abdu'l-baha writes (says) is infallible concerning the Laws, and spiritual teachings of the Baha'i Faith including the interpretation of these scriptures,
                      shunya, it goes well beyond that, and you know it. I caught you blundering through this same lie a few weeks ago using your own sources. Here it is again,



                      Here's the thread where you totally embarrassed yourself if you don't remember.

                      http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post422978

                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      like seer, you are a specialist in misleading dishonest, and embarrassing, quote mining without consider the whole of scriptures and guidance, which I cited concerning the specific guidance and beliefs concerning the harmony of science and religion.

                      You do much better as an anal retentive grammarian.
                      shunya, you're far too old to act so childish. Don't get all nasty with everyone else when you're called on your dishonesty, and just cause you can't help make yourself look ridiculous every time you post.
                      Last edited by Adrift; 03-21-2017, 10:08 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Adrift View Post



                        shunya, you're far too old to act so childish. Don't get all nasty with everyone else when you're called on your dishonesty, and just cause you can't help make yourself look ridiculous every time you post.
                        Get a mirror.

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                        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          Get a mirror.
                          Tassman, you'd really be better served defending some other group of people, cause you're doing yourself no favors defending the indefensible.

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                          • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                            It is quite typical that you divert the topic of the thread, because you cannot respond to coherent competent argument on topic, and chose, like Adrift, in a personal biased, selective dishonest personal attack 'OFF TOPIC of the thread in frustration of not being able to present a reasonable logical and coherent argument.
                            You are lying again Shuny, I went off topic responding to you when you said:

                            I believe Tassman's view is justified, because Venema's summary indeed reflects the overwhelming consensus of science concerning the origin of the human species. Yes, the article presents different views, such as the Theistic Evolutionist, but the TE would classically agree with Venema's summary if the TE considers his/her view compatible with science.

                            Sparko's conclusion that there must have been a 'first person' is an incorrect assumption based on the science of evolution. The evolution of all species result in the genetic drift and isolation of groups or populations of individuals, and not one or two individuals.
                            But according to your own religion all of mankind, all men living today have ONE FATHER, Adam. And we are distinct from any creatures or even humans that went before (from your so called previous cycles). So your own religion disagrees with "science."
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • Originally posted by seer View Post
                              You are lying again Shuny, I went off topic responding to you when you said:



                              But according to your own religion all of mankind, all men living today have ONE FATHER, Adam. And we are distinct from any creatures or even humans that went before (from your so called previous cycles). So your own religion disagrees with "science."
                              False, dishonest, and biased selective and interpretation of the Bahai writings without considering the whole of scripture and the references I gave.

                              As per numerous previous threads over many years:

                              Source: http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/o/BNE/bne-163.html

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                              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                Don't you think it's a tad bizarre that a non Baha'i like you is lecturing a committed practitioner of that faith about what he should believe. Especially someone like you, who is notorious for misleading quote mining.


                                You really should become a comedian.

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