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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Oops I missed out the "c" Ralf Scharf!Oliver Schmidt https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QZEaHzhqObB3Dp
And it still doesn't do anything about your comment that the MEANING of the NAME was wrong.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Oliver Schmidt https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QZEaHzhqObB3Dp
And it still doesn't do anything about your comment that the MEANING of the NAME was wrong.
Have you read the entire paper?
In your extract Schmitt is citing Zuckermann [1993] who is referring to Hoffman [1969] who in turn agrees with Mommsen [1910]. Speidel's paper was published in 1996 and Scharf's in 1997.
So all you have done is go full circle back to Mommsen. You have progressed no further in your attempt to prove that a Jewish military unit actually existed. As Speidel noted:
Mommsen cast such a spell that later editors of the inscription embraced his mistake in their own readings. Indeed, scholars build inverted pyramids on Mommsen's reading, tracing the unit's history as far back as the mid-third century. Yet Rome never raised regular army units from Jews, let alone elite ones.
It would appear that Schmitt et al are under that same spell.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Have you read the entire paper?
In your extract Schmitt is citing Zuckermann [1993] who is referring to Hoffman [1969] who in turn agrees with Mommsen [1910]. Speidel's paper was published in 1996 and Scharf's in 1997.
So all you have done is go full circle back to Mommsen. You have progressed no further in your attempt to prove that a Jewish military unit actually existed. As Speidel noted:
Mommsen cast such a spell that later editors of the inscription embraced his mistake in their own readings. Indeed, scholars build inverted pyramids on Mommsen's reading, tracing the unit's history as far back as the mid-third century. Yet Rome never raised regular army units from Jews, let alone elite ones.
It would appear that Schmitt et al are under that same spell.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIudaei Regii Emeseni Iudaei mit der legio comitatensis der Regii in der Notitia dignitatum
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Mere attempts at obfuscation.
What was it he didn't know about Roman military units again? The names that were appropriate? (disproven - the name given was appropriate.)
Nothing to see here except H_A's monumental error - arising from her unfounded sense of superiority - yet again.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Oliver Schmidt https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QZEaHzhqObB3Dp
And it still doesn't do anything about your comment that the MEANING of the NAME was wrong.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Have you read the entire paper?
In your extract Schmitt is citing Zuckermann [1993] who is referring to Hoffman [1969] who in turn agrees with Mommsen [1910]. Speidel's paper was published in 1996 and Scharf's in 1997.
So all you have done is go full circle back to Mommsen. You have progressed no further in your attempt to prove that a Jewish military unit actually existed. As Speidel noted:
Mommsen cast such a spell that later editors of the inscription embraced his mistake in their own readings. Indeed, scholars build inverted pyramids on Mommsen's reading, tracing the unit's history as far back as the mid-third century. Yet Rome never raised regular army units from Jews, let alone elite ones.
It would appear that Schmitt et al are under that same spell.
Moreover, that you have one scholar citing other earlier ones who share a similar view is hardly new, much less indictive that they all rely upon each other. Such an assessment sounds like an attempt to dismiss the later scholars without having to address their research and conclusions -- something I can understand you'd find mighty appealing.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFirst, in that extract tab provided none of what you claim is happening.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA simple declaration minus evidence is nothing but opinion."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
The argument was originally not about the existence of the military unit. There is some scholarly disagreement about whether the evidence is conclusive - perfectly normal.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWe already knew of the later Regii Emeseni Iudaei (an all-Jewish unit of light infantry),
We know no such thing.
Other academics have also challenged Mommsen's interpretations of epigraphical sources.."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Footnote.
Certainly, we don't have any reason to believe you, given the number of mistakes that you make (which is not significant) and refuse to correct or even acknowledge (which is).1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
So we have a number of scholars supporting Momsen, with one calling his findings into question. What makes one scholar's assessment more compelling than another's? or several others?
Certainly, we don't have any reason to believe you, given the number of mistakes that you make (which is not significant) and refuse to correct or even acknowledge (which is).
You would find some way to challenge/disbelieve me if I stated that [according to the Gregorian calendar] we are presently living in September 2022!
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Of course you "don't have any reason to believe" me
You would find some way to challenge/disbelieve me if I stated that [according to the Gregorian calendar] we are presently living in September 2022!1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
.⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
For that you only have yourself to credit or blame.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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