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Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 or General Theistics 101 forum without such restrictions. Theists who wish to discuss these issues outside the parameters of orthodox Christian doctrine are invited to Unorthodox Theology 201.
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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 or General Theistics 101 forum without such restrictions. Theists who wish to discuss these issues outside the parameters of orthodox Christian doctrine are invited to Unorthodox Theology 201.
Remember, our forum rules apply here as well. If you haven't read them now would be a good time.
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Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by elam View PostVery interesting. You are afraid to be confronted by explicit scripture.
Of course, I accept that you would reject any statement I make, so I will continue to deal with you as Jesus would. He was very fond of quoting scripture, which irritated his opponents.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostPaul. Long time no see!
Pointing to verses can be helpful, but an explanation of why one thinks the verses make one's point tends to be much more helpful.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Bibleuser View PostWhere in the Bible does it tell us on what day Jesus was born?
BUThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Bibleuser View PostWhere in the Bible does it tell us on what day Jesus was born?
BUThat's what
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostIt doesn't, which is why different churches celebrate it on different days. December 25th is the most popular, and January 9th is in use by Eastern Orthodox I believe.
And the selecting of December 25th has nothing to do with co-opting a pagan holiday
It seems more likely that the dating was influenced by the Jewish concept that great figures lived an exact number of years (dying on the day that they were conceived). Christians at least since the second century held that Jesus was conceived on March 25 (see Irenaeus' Adversus Haereses for instance) and hence born on December 25 based upon his having died on March 25 -- which was calculated to have coincided with 14 Nisan.
This also demonstrates that Christians were celebrating Christ's birthday on December 25 before the festival for Sol Invictus (Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) on Dec. 25 was only established c. 245 AD meaning that contrary to popular belief it appears that festival was actually later syncretized with Christmas rather than the other way around.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostIt doesn't, which is why different churches celebrate it on different days. December 25th is the most popular, and January 9th is in use by Eastern Orthodox I believe.
The West seems to have started out celebrating Christmas on Dec. 25, whereas the East first celebrated Christmas along with the Baptism of Jesus on Theophany (Jan. 6). About the 4th century, the Western practice spread East, and the West began to celebrate Epiphany (the visit of the Magi to the infant Jesus) on the 6th.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Bibleuser View PostSo if it not in scripture why do it as its not supported by The Bible?
Its a Man made tradition not God made, so to speak.
BUThat's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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