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  • #136
    Originally posted by elam View Post
    Read Acts 3, particularly notice verses 12 to 15.
    How bout actually making your points, rather than point to verses you THINK support what you're saying?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #137
      Originally posted by elam View Post
      Thankyou for your inclusion of me amoungst Jesus, James, Peter, Paul etc who were all considered Nutjobs by their peers!
      Elam, I'm guessing English is not your first language, and that may explain some of the disconnect.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #138
        Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
        elam is now my favorite Roman Catholic Nutjob.



        Please don't feed him after midnight.
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        • #139
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          I do.



          I think you got that a little confused. But, yes, even Jesus' family thought he was nuts at one time, but you made a sweeping statement that included Paul, Peter, etc.....
          I'm reminded of a quote by Carl Sagan:
          "The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #140
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            Please don't feed him after midnight.
            That's gremlins, not trolls.

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            • #141
              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
              That's gremlins, not trolls.
              Are they mutually exclusive?
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #142
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Are they mutually exclusive?
                AFAIK know yes.

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                • #143
                  Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                  AFAIK know yes.
                  We are so blessed to have a subject matter expert on this topic!
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                    That's gremlins, not trolls.
                    Yes, but you probably shouldn't feed trolls after midnight either.
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                    • #145
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      How bout actually making your points, rather than point to verses you THINK support what you're saying?
                      Especially when they don't.
                      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        How bout actually making your points, rather than point to verses you THINK support what you're saying?
                        Very interesting. You are afraid to be confronted by explicit scripture.

                        Of course, I accept that you would reject any statement I make, so I will continue to deal with you as Jesus would. He was very fond of quoting scripture, which irritated his opponents.

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                        • #147
                          Originally posted by elam View Post
                          Very interesting. You are afraid to be confronted by explicit scripture.

                          Of course, I accept that you would reject any statement I make, so I will continue to deal with you as Jesus would. He was very fond of quoting scripture, which irritated his opponents.
                          Suggestion: Use scriptures that support your point rather than random scriptures that we will all agree on.
                          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            How bout actually making your points, rather than point to verses you THINK support what you're saying?
                            Actually, if you pay attention, Elam points to whole chapters of scripture and not particular verses, albeit on occasion he highlights a range of verses to be examined. He and I am of the same basic fraternity and we don't always agree, but the Cow Proder is out of order at this time...

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                            • #149
                              Originally posted by apostoli View Post
                              Actually, if you pay attention, Elam points to whole chapters of scripture and not particular verses, albeit on occasion he highlights a range of verses to be examined. He and I am of the same basic fraternity and we don't always agree, but the Cow Proder is out of order at this time...
                              Paul. Long time no see!

                              Pointing to verses can be helpful, but an explanation of why one thinks the verses make one's point tends to be much more helpful.
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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by elam View Post
                                Very interesting. You are afraid to be confronted by explicit scripture.

                                Of course, I accept that you would reject any statement I make, so I will continue to deal with you as Jesus would. He was very fond of quoting scripture, which irritated his opponents.

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                                - She

                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
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                                - Stephen R. Donaldson

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